TELL ME if this video shows truth. GS/Dallas

[CupcakeNoFillin]

Aight I made this video a while back, and there's some Mavericks commenting on it on Youtube that don't agree with what's being said in the video. It's a video showcasing one of the many reasons why I think Bennet Salvatore screwed the Warriors over in Games 2 and 5 of their first round series against the Mavericks.

Now, the video may seem like i'm making a BIG deal out of it but really i'm not. I'm not complaining about it that much, it's just that I couldn't think of a simple way to explain my observations... which resulted in making me seem like i'm getting too into it.

Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNy49wb-9NQ

Now, did Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson deserve those technicals?

[jourdy]

How could anyone give an unbiased opinion with how you presented your video?

[CupcakeNoFillin]

Well for one, Mavericks fans can be like, "Damn forreal? I didn't even notice that. Bennet Salvatore did kind of help us out on that play".

^^That wouldn't be biased at all. But that's not the point. I'm not begging for Mavericks fans to agree, I expect them to be mad at the video like that. What i'm asking is if the video shows at least a little bit of truth or not.

[ss1986v2]

yes and no. you can argue that many of the technicals that are issued each year are undeserved. and this one is no different. as for my opinion, i dont have an outstanding issue with either of the two technicals.

if i have the sequence right, jackson fouled terry. the ref blew the whistle. baron then precedes to slap at terry after the whistle. barnes then does the same thing. terry takes issue with this (as would most players). from the video, i cant tell if he is talking to baron or barnes, but the three of them exchange world and things get "heated". with only that, i dont mind baron getting a technical so much. its iffy, but not unheard of (especially not knowing what baron said). if you want to argue that terry should have been T'd up too, fine, but the baron call isnt that big of an issue by itself.

the jackson call is also a bit iffy, but i totally see why the refs called it, and im fine with that. after the foul as the exchange is starting, jackson bolts toward the fray. regardless of his intentions, you shouldnt go sprinting head long toward an exchange like that on the court. its only going to draw the attention of the refs. look at the video; even jacksons teammates know this, and are trying to hold him back from holding anyone else back. they saw him charge into that mess, knew nothing but bad things were going to happen (again, regardless of intentions), and tried to keep him back (baron included). that tech just gets chaulked up under the negative column for jackson and his "more heart than brains" style.

unfortunate calls, but i see why they were called and dont have incredible issue with either. would rather have seen a tech to terry as well, but i get why the refs didnt hand it out. after being slapped by two opposing players after the whistle has blown, terry being upset is to be expected a bit, and refs let it slide. again, not perfect, but i get it.

[Black Jesus 1]

CUPCAKENOFILLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CupcakeNoFillin]

Well I would be alright with Baron and Jackson getting technicals if other players from the Mavericks got tech's too.

1) Ok, Jackson got off the bench... but so did Devin Harris and Diop. The difference is that Jackson got a technical but Harris and Diop didn't. And unlike Jackson, Devin Harris went to go confront Baron Davis, instead of peacefully holding his teammate Jason Terry back. You can see the look on Devin's face when he approaced Baron, but luckily for him Baron decided to hold back and not get into trouble (which wasn't worth it since Baron still ended up with a technical)

2) If Barnes made the slap that caused Terry to get so mad, then why didn't Barnes get a technical either?

3) Terry was being a whiny b*tch. And no, i'm not disrespecting him as a person and a player, i'm just saying that what he did at that moment was kind of weaksauce.

He got mad because Barnes took a swipe for the ball. What Barnes did is common. Because obviously the play was over once Jackson fouled him. But instead of stopping after the foul, Terry continues to dribble the ball around the perimeter and all Baron and Barnes did was try to swipe the ball away from him because the play was over already.

Did Jason Terry really HAVE to start something with Baron and Barnes just because they went for the ball? If you watch the NBA, you'll notice that players sometimes even HOLD other players back when a play is over. For example, if i'm playing in the NBA and i'm guarding Iverson... I foul him. But if Iverson continues to drive to the hoop after the whistle was blown, i'll hold him back and say "hey hey hey little fella, the play's over". Nothing wrong with that. But instead, Jason Terry decided to go Rambo on Barnes just because of that.

So shouldn't Jason Terry get a technical for that as well? Since i'm sure other players would have just calmly ignored Barnes going for the ball since the play was over anyways. What Jason Terry did was taking it too personal, and trying to start some type of confrontation because of it.

damn kind of a long post. i hate it when i end up typing this much. lol.

dammit so many edits!

[Black Jesus 1]

Not gonna type a novel like CupcakeNOFILLIN! did , but I will say the Warriors got screwed over here. S-Jax was trying to resolve it while Diop, JT were still escalating the situation.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

It wasn't just that one play though. It happened throughout the whole game. OHHHHHHHHHHH.

just can't find any footage of the whole game.

haha.





teehee.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

haha you edited your post just to add in the happy face.

[Black Jesus 1]

haha you edited your post just to add in the happy face.

Liar.

[Number34]

How could anyone give an unbiased opinion with how you presented your video?

He is just giving the warriors side of the story, don't take that video as your only source of information on the subject.

I must say that it did surprise me that terry didn't get the tech when it was very clear that he started it. There where some bad calls in that game but aren't there a lot in the nba? Something sadly we have to put up with these days.

[Kobay]

You know what was missing with that piano in that song

[CupcakeNoFillin]

Salvatore also screwed us over in that game in a jump ball call.


OHHHHHHH.

Never head of a controversial jump ball call, have you?

haha

i'm serious though. it was a BS jumpball call but i'm too lazy to go in depth on it right now. salvatore used it to help give the mavericks some momentum to win the game. i'll probably explain later.

[ss1986v2]

He got mad because Barnes took a swipe for the ball. What Barnes did is common. Because obviously the play was over once Jackson fouled him. But instead of stopping after the foul, Terry continues to dribble the ball around the perimeter and all Baron and Barnes did was try to swipe the ball away from him because the play was over already.

Did Jason Terry really HAVE to start something with Baron and Barnes just because they went for the ball? If you watch the NBA, you'll notice that players sometimes even HOLD other players back when a play is over. For example, if i'm playing in the NBA and i'm guarding Iverson... I foul him. But if Iverson continues to drive to the hoop after the whistle was blown, i'll hold him back and say "hey hey hey little fella, the play's over". Nothing wrong with that. But instead, Jason Terry decided to go Rambo on Barnes just because of that.

So shouldn't Jason Terry get a technical for that as well? Since i'm sure other players would have just calmly ignored Barnes going for the ball since the play was over anyways. What Jason Terry did was taking it too personal, and trying to start some type of confrontation because of it.

again, i wouldnt mind it if terry, barnes, or harris got T'd up too (depending on exactly what they said, which we dont know), but that doesnt take away from what baron and jackson did and/or said.

and no, those two swipes werent anything like the play you described (with AI). those types of plays happen when a player is going toward the basket, thinks there is a possibility of continuation, fears either the player or himself may be off balance after the foul, or as friendly horseplay amongst friends. and none of that fits into those categories. both of those swipes (which can very well catch a finger, an eye, or even a crotch-shot), not the ginger slowing down by grabbing a player with both arms that you described, were very much uncalled for (the barnes on in particular, which is what really set terry off).

and again, while i wouldnt have minded a tech for terry as well, i understand why the refs didnt give it, and i dont fault terry for the reaction. if two players took swipes at me, both well after the foul had been called, id take issue with that very much. and again, we dont know what was said during that exchange, or what happened on the possessions leading up to it. for all we know, baron or barnes may have been jawing with terry earlier. maybe there was a bit of pushing or shoving going on that night, and terry finally took exception after the unnecessary swipes.

id think that it would be best if you stopped turning this around on terry, harris, barnes, or anyone else, and look at what happened to the players actually being discussed here, jackson and baron. doing that, i still dont have particular issue with either (the jackson one specifically).

[jourdy]

Well I would be alright with Baron and Jackson getting technicals if other players from the Mavericks got tech's too.

1) Ok, Jackson got off the bench... but so did Devin Harris and Diop. The difference is that Jackson got a technical but Harris and Diop didn't. And unlike Jackson, Devin Harris went to go confront Baron Davis instead of peacefully holding Jason Terry back. You can see the look on Devin's face when he approaced Baron, but luckily for him Baron decided to hold back and not get into trouble (which wasn't worth it since Baron still ended up with a technical)

2) If Barnes made the slap that caused Terry to get so mad, then why didn't Barnes get a technical either?

3) Terry was being a whiny b*tch. And no, i'm not disrespecting him as a person and a player, i'm just saying that what he did at that moment was kind of weaksauce.

He got mad because Barnes took a swipe for the ball. What Barnes did is common. Because obviously the play was over once Jackson fouled him. But instead of stopping after the foul, Terry continues to dribble the ball around the perimeter and all Baron and Barnes did was try to swipe the ball away from him because the play was over already.

Did Jason Terry really HAVE to start something with Baron and Barnes just because they went for the ball? If you watch the NBA, you'll notice that players sometimes even HOLD other players back when a play is over. For example, if i'm playing in the NBA and i'm guarding Iverson... I foul him. But if Iverson continues to drive to the hoop after the whistle was blown, i'll hold him back and say "hey hey hey little fella, the play's over". Nothing wrong with that. But instead, Jason Terry decided to go Rambo on Barnes just because of that.

So shouldn't Jason Terry get a technical for that as well? Since i'm sure other players would have just calmly ignored Barnes going for the ball since the play was over anyways. What Jason Terry did was taking it too personal, and trying to start some type of confrontation because of it.

damn kind of a long post. i hate it when i end up typing this much. lol.

1) Devin Harris tried to confront Baron? What? I don't know if we saw 2 different videos, but from that video on your link, it looked like Devin Harris was trying to calm things down.

2) Terry was hacked by baron after the dead play, and got another swipe from Barnes. Given that Terry is a feisty little guy, don't just assume that Terry was the one at fault since we have no idea what they said to each other. A lot of things could've been said.

3) Maybe you should just try to cool down. Golden State won. It's done. Your team pulled a monumental achievement. Are you implying that Mavs should've lost games 2 and 5, and the Warriors would've beaten the Mavs 5 straight times? Don't be greedy

The Jackson T was a bit undeserved, but like I said, we have no way of knowing what they were talking about. The refs screw everybody, deal with it. People could argue that this is the same Bennet Salvatore that blew the whistle on Game 5 of the '06 Finals which led to Wade's 2 FTs to win the game? If you're complaining about this, then I'm sorry to say but the refs' screwjob in the '06 Finals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10('07 Series between GS and DAL).

[gswwhoops!]

It was in Stern's plan to prevent GS from sweeping DAL that series. It worked.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

You know what was missing with that piano in that song

well i'm not sad you know. we DID win the series.

it's not like i was like, "boohoo! i'm a whiny warriors fan! why did salvatore have to do this to us! why?!!!!"

my emotion for that play is more of like, "wow wtf was that! bennet salvatore thinks he's slick lol. i gotta show this to people. f*ck salvatore".

that's why when the Warriors lost game 2, I was more confident to win the series than ever. I knew the Mavericks got lucky in that game, and told everyone that once Dallas comes to Oakland for game 3 it's gonna be over for Dirk. And look what happens, they come to Oakland and get blown out. Ha, that fluky win in Dallas wasn't much of a performance boost for the Mavericks huh. Sorry though, the anticipation for the Warriors/Dallas game tonight and seeing Mavs fans complain about my video got me heated today.

I do respect the Mavericks and Dirk is one of my favorite players.

[CupcakeNoFillin]

[quote="ss1986v2"][/quote]

k thanks dude. i'm just asking for your opinion, and thanks for providing a non-biased one. i'm not gonna argue with what you said. and thanks for watching my video too!

[CupcakeNoFillin]

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1) Devin Harris tried to confront Baron? What? I don't know if we saw 2 different videos, but from that video on your link, it looked like Devin Harris was trying to calm things down.

2) Terry was hacked by baron after the dead play, and got another swipe from Barnes. Given that Terry is a feisty little guy, don't just assume that Terry was the one at fault since we have no idea what they said to each other. A lot of things could've been said.

3) Maybe you should just try to cool down. Golden State won. It's done. Your team pulled a monumental achievement. Are you implying that Mavs should've lost games 2 and 5, and the Warriors would've beaten the Mavs 5 straight times? Don't be greedy

The Jackson T was a bit undeserved, but like I said, we have no way of knowing what they were talking about. The refs screw everybody, deal with it. People could argue that this is the same Bennet Salvatore that blew the whistle on Game 5 of the '06 Finals which led to Wade's 2 FTs to win the game? If you're complaining about this, then I'm sorry to say but the refs' screwjob in the '06 Finals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10('07 Series between GS and DAL).

haha yeh i know. i'm not saying that the warriors were playing like angels during that game. haha.

but don't think that i'm mad or anything. i'm calm about that whole situation it's just that i keep ending up typing a whole lot about it. makes me seem bitter.

[dockingsched]

i'm not really sure how anyone can claim terry "started" it. baron davis and matt barnes both swipe at terry way after we whistle is blown. as far as jackson, he's at the sideline bumping shoulders with the ref and cuts him off when he sprints to the melee. how could he NOT get a tech? looking at the video looks like harris deserved one too.

baron davis is the one that actually started it with his uncalled for slap at terry. tech.

stephen jackson sprints towards the crowd cutting off the ref that t'd him up. tech.

terry and barnes after the initial confrontation both walk away calmly, no tech.

harris is the only one that deserved one that didn't get one.

edit: nicely done video.