Trade Rumor?? Redd, CV, 1st for TMac+Bonzi

[fam3381]

Second, anybody else remember those ramblings about how McGrady wants to play baseball once his contract is over with? Maybe once he hears about a deal to Milwaukee, he'll move those plans to the forefront.

I think he's got about $55 million reasons to grin and bear it in Brewtown

But I like this, Redd rumors. May the highest bidder step forward.

Has MBBOT suggested Nene for Redd yet?

[trwi7]

Second, anybody else remember those ramblings about how McGrady wants to play baseball once his contract is over with?

What position does he play? If it's 3rd base or pitcher the Brewers should take him.

[worthlessBucks]

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Has MBBOT suggested Nene for Redd yet?

I think that move hinges strictly on Ray Nixon's availability.

[trwi7]

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I think that move hinges strictly on Ray Nixon's availability.

I think we may have to swing a Yi and a 1st for Luke Jackson.

[midranger]

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I think we may have to swing a Yi and a 1st for Luke Jackson.

Could work out. After all, we need defense. And that is who the Heat schemed to put on out elite scorer. Their game plan was clearly to shut Redd down by leaving Luke Jackson 1 on 1 with him, that should have been clear to any one with a brain watching. The double teaming of Mo Williams was simply an opportunity for the Bucks due to all the attention that Redd was attracting.

[NeedsMoreCheese]

Im not saying McGrady isnt better than Redd, but, one of the main complaints of Redd is he could never be the #1 guy on a contender. Ok lets say thats true, umm what about TMac? What has he done in the playoffs? And also consider he hasnt even done it with a guy who is a top 2-3 center in the NBA (depending on who you consider a center).
TMac didnt go to Orlando to be the guy, he went to be second banana to Hill. He never even wanted to be the guy. (Which coincidentally is why he left Orlando)

Whats the advantage of this trade then? And why would McGrady even want to come here where he'd have to be the guy again?

[jerrod]

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Could work out. After all, we need defense. And that is who the Heat schemed to put on out elite scorer. Their game plan was clearly to shut Redd down by leaving Luke Jackson 1 on 1 with him, that should have been clear to any one with a brain watching. The double teaming of Mo Williams was simply an opportunity for the Bucks due to all the attention that Redd was attracting.

nicely done

[REDDzone]

He never even wanted to be the guy.

I thought I read somewhere that he left Toronto because he knew he could never be the guy with Vince there?


I did read it on the Raptors board though, so who knows how accurate that was?

[duluth111222]

Rox fan here. It's funny you guys all say you don't like this trade, yet the thread has reached 7 pages in what 3 hours?

I'm glad you guys don't like it, cuz no way in hell would Houston agree to this trade.

Albeit injury prone, T-Mac still > Redd. Don't say I don't know anything about Bucks. I'm Chinese, so by nature I'm a Yi fan and have watched many Bucks games this season. Redd is a selfish chucker. I wouldn't want any of that on my team.

Bonzi has been playing great of late. As of now Bonzi > CV.

Adding a 1st is nice. But even an unprotected 1st is not worth the talent difference.

Rox say no.

[fam3381]

Rox fan here. It's funny you guys all say you don't like this trade, yet the thread has reached 7 pages in what 3 hours?

That's because some people would do the trade.

[europa]

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That's because some people would do the trade.

It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade. And that's not even taking into account the fact Bonzi Wells would instantly become the second-best wing player on this team behind McGrady.

[showtimesam]

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It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade. And that's not even taking into account the fact Bonzi Wells would instantly become the second-best wing player on this team behind McGrady.

I agree..
There's two ways you can go with redd... Trade him for crap (cap space and future draft picks) or a for a player thats better and offers the chance for the team to dramatically improve immediately.

This move would definitely do that, and I would love having something to get excited about THIS season. That would be great if this trade was legit, we'll have to wait and see..

[fam3381]

It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade.

Hey, we're holding out for Dwight Howard. Be patient.

Riles offered us Wade for Redd straight up last night, but c'mon, D-Wade's been banged up. Not worth the risk

[FoDrizzle]

I don't know about trading for T-Mac. The guy clearly does not give a sh*t about winning anymore, let alone that he's always injured. I think it will be a bad marriage and the Bucks should wait for a more sensible deal which hopefully doesn't involve the unprotected 1st.

[fam3381]

The guy clearly does not give a sh*t, and is always injured.

Huh?

[Nowak008]

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It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade. And that's not even taking into account the fact Bonzi Wells would instantly become the second-best wing player on this team behind McGrady.

Its because they don't see that core contending, and want to rebuild with young players around Yi.

[REDDzone]

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It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade. And that's not even taking into account the fact Bonzi Wells would instantly become the second-best wing player on this team behind McGrady.

Its because of the general direction people want to see the team take. Replacing Redd with McGrady does not make us a contender now, or the future (has anyone mentioned McGrady has currently missed several games lately, and recently said he time table for return is "weeks"?)

If we want to trade Redd, I know a lot of people, including myself, want to pick up maybe an expirer for cap purposes, a young prospect, and/or a good draft pick in order to build around Bogut/YI/Mo for the future.

If we decide to keep Redd, then I think a lot of people, again including myself, want to see a team that can contend within the next few years. As in, add JO, add Gasol, etc. by means of our young assets and/or draft picks.

Replacing Redd with T-Mac at this point still shows the consistency of this team in regards to having NO direction whatsoever. Neither a contender now or soon, and certainly not bulding for the future by giving away our draft pick (likely a good one with how horrible this team has been playing).

[europa]

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Hey, we're holding out for Dwight Howard. Be patient.

Riles offered us Wade for Redd straight up last night, but c'mon, D-Wade's been banged up. Not worth the risk

If only he would've done better against Redd in the first half when Redd was playing good D on him.

Replacing Redd with T-Mac at this point still shows the consistency of this team in regards to having NO direction whatsoever. Neither a contender now or soon, and certainly not bulding for the future by giving away our draft pick (likely a good one with how horrible this team has been playing).

I think it greatly improves the team this season. The long-term issue isn't great because the team will remain better with McGrady. The concern would be losing Wells and not having the first-round pick. But if it's lotto or Top 10 protected, that risk is gone. Plus, you remove one piece of dead weight (Villanueva) who has never fit in. So you improve your team by adding two players better than the ones you traded and even if the pick isn't lotto protected (a greater risk I realize) you do have Wells to either re-sign or use his cap room to hopefully bring in a good player.

The only concern I have about this trade is dealing the first-round pick and possibly only getting cap room in return. That doesn't sit well with me but I think the opportunity to add an elite talent is worth it.

[midranger]

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It's interesting to me that so many of the people who want to trade Redd for crap don't want to trade him for a player who's considerably better - even with his durability issues - than nearly every single one of the players they want to bring back in a Redd trade. And that's not even taking into account the fact Bonzi Wells would instantly become the second-best wing player on this team behind McGrady.

Does this move make us a playoff team? Does it help us get to the finals?

TMac and Wells have Yao (one of the best players in the league), and Battier (one of the best glue guys in the league), with an experienced head coach. Yet, they are currently 15-17, in 10th place in the Western Conference. I shudder to think where they'd be with Bogut, Simmons, and Krysto.

That said, I still do it if the pick is removed, as stated, because TMac's deal is a year shorter than Redd and he's a name guy for marketing reasons.

[Buck You]

Tmac would do wonders for Yi and Bogut with his play making abilities. But he's never healthy so I don't know about this trade.