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Which democrat will win the Iowa Caucus?

Barrack Obama
41
68%
Hillary Clinton
8
13%
John Edwards
9
15%
Joe Biden
1
2%
Other (please specify)
1
2%
 
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Post#41 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:37 am

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Luckily the country is also not ready to elect a Mormon, a twice divorced catholic who had sex with his cousin or a geriatric. I think all this sex, race, religion stuff is bull, but I admit it matters. If you think Obama or Hillary can't make against their republican competition, I think your overestimating the fact that he is black and that she is a woman.


The argument that "America isn't ready for a ______ president" is such utter crap. I always wonder if it isn't a cover up for some people so they don't have to say "I am not ready for a _____ president". Just like the "you can't rebuild in NY" argument is often times a cover up for "I don't want the Knicks to rebuild". Then, if enough people are concerned with how everybody else is going to vote it works. But you have to ask yourself "do _I_ want this candidate to win. If the answer is yes then vote for that candidate!

I, for one, am a white man who is more than ready for Obama for Prez!!!

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Post#42 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:43 am

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yeah. anyone who is arguing that this guy lacks the experience, just look at his predictions as an outsider. Obama is a very serious thinker, who actually looks at the facts and makes his own decisions. John Edwards and Hillary Clinton just shamelessly went along with the president. More than half of the democrats voted against the resolution. Why couldn't Edwards or Hillary?


Plus, that's what you have the cabinet for, eh??? Obama has GREAT vision of the bigger picture and that's what we need from our Prez.
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Post#43 » by makeitstop » Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:01 am

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Luckily the country is also not ready to elect a Mormon, a twice divorced catholic who had sex with his cousin or a geriatric.


Great point. I'm hoping you're right. Every time I think that we'll probably never do worse than Bush as president, I look at Giuliani and Romney and have to check myself.


I think all this sex, race, religion stuff is bull, but I admit it matters. If you think Obama or Hillary can't make against their republican competition, I think your overestimating the fact that he is black and that she is a woman.


I think they're both capable of doing that. I think Obama is brilliant, and Clinton turned out to be a much better senator than I expected (not to mention that she won over the people in upstate NY, who I thought would reject her out of hand).

I do think, however, that there's a lot of ingrained, knee-jerk, reactionary crap still left in the minds of a lot of people who vote in this country. The problem isn't with the candidates - it's with the people who will be voting. You need look no farther than George W. Bush to realize that voters in this country are capable of getting it tragically wrong. That's what really worries me.
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Post#44 » by makeitstop » Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:09 am

The argument that "America isn't ready for a ______ president" is such utter crap. I always wonder if it isn't a cover up for some people so they don't have to say "I am not ready for a _____ president".


Since I'm the one who stated that here, I feel like i have to speak up about it.

I want a Democrat who can win a damn election. i want someone who isn't going to get buffaloed by the media like John Kerry let himself be. I want someone who will look the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity in the eye and tell him how wrong he is, and why.

I want someone who is going to stand up and defend themselves when some slime outfit like the Swift Boat guys go on cable TV and start lying their asses off.

You know it's coming.

If Obama is the nominee, he's got my vote with no reservation whatsoever. If Clinton is the nominee, same thing.

It's not me I'm worried about. I'll work to get the Dem nominee elected, just like I did for every middle-aged white guy that has been the nominee in the last 25 years, whether he's black, or a woman, or a freakin' potted palm.

But you have to admit that there are probably a lot of male voters who don't think a woman would be 'up to the job,' and there are a lot of white people who will look at Barack Obama and think he's not deserving of the office. It's not 'utter crap,' it's factorial.

It's a sad fact about this country. But you have to admit it's true.
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Post#45 » by slamvangundy » Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:56 am

makeitstop wrote:
The argument that "America isn't ready for a ______ president" is such utter crap. I always wonder if it isn't a cover up for some people so they don't have to say "I am not ready for a _____ president".


Since I'm the one who stated that here, I feel like i have to speak up about it.

I want a Democrat who can win a damn election. i want someone who isn't going to get buffaloed by the media like John Kerry let himself be. I want someone who will look the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity in the eye and tell him how wrong he is, and why.

I want someone who is going to stand up and defend themselves when some slime outfit like the Swift Boat guys go on cable TV and start lying their asses off.

You know it's coming.

If Obama is the nominee, he's got my vote with no reservation whatsoever. If Clinton is the nominee, same thing.

It's not me I'm worried about. I'll work to get the Dem nominee elected, just like I did for every middle-aged white guy that has been the nominee in the last 25 years, whether he's black, or a woman, or a freakin' potted palm.

But you have to admit that there are probably a lot of male voters who don't think a woman would be 'up to the job,' and there are a lot of white people who will look at Barack Obama and think he's not deserving of the office. It's not 'utter crap,' it's factorial.

It's a sad fact about this country. But you have to admit it's true.


Right, but the way I see it, someone who isn't going to black person, some "nice" suburban crazy lady from texas who is always so polite (but only to white people), that kind of person isn't going to be voting for a democrat anyway. Obama is NOT going to lose their vote.

Reilly Hannity and Limbaugh are going to make up all sorts of ridiculous crap up against whatever nominee runs. They are bullies. They called gore a liar when they had no basis for those claims, they called kerry a deserter and essentially accused him of being a pinko commie who wears women's underwear....the problem with Gore and Kerry was they didn't have the social intelligence to stand up for themselves. It's like this bully takes your glasses and calls you names, and you just stand there saying 'give me my glasses back!' That was the problem with Gore and Kerry.

I don't think 'Bama is going to let them get away with that. He has this wonderful way of being blunt and taking on his opposition while still seeming like a classy guy. He is charismatic and at the end of the day, I think he seems like a lot more of a guy you could relate to than Hillary who tells people whatever she thinks they want to hear, and Edwards who also seems corny and not particularly genuine (he played that lesbian thing with Cheney horribly).

Look, I'm not pretending like America is a color blind nation under a rainbow where we all hold hands and get along. But I think that the people who race is an issue for, are already commited republicans, and the states they live in are already red. If democrats are going to win this, they need to take the Kerry Gore states + take one of these states: Ohio, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida, Virginia.

At the end of the day, I think the dems are going to win this. I also feel Obama can take one of these states. And I actually feel he is most capable of doing that. A lot of men who couldn't vote for Kerry because he seemed so effeminate and bizarre----they can come to support Obama who was able to go on monday night football is someone with whom you can drink a beer.
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Post#46 » by slamvangundy » Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:58 am

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Post#47 » by knicks742 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:00 am

elections will come down to florida, michigan, pennsylvania and ohio. We need someoen that can win there.
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Post#48 » by Remember the Past » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:03 am

well we know huckabee is washing away everyone else in the republican race right now.
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Post#49 » by knicks742 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:05 am

Remember the Past wrote:well we know huckabee is washing away everyone else in the republican race right now.


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Post#50 » by cmaff051 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:10 am

Obama is leading right now. Hillary is in 3rd. Wow. I realize the margins are slim - all 3 candidates are almost in a dead heat - but Hillary coming in 3rd would be a shock.
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Post#51 » by Remember the Past » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:15 am

If I was old enough to vote, I would probably be leaning towards Obama but I'm not definitely set on one candidate. One candidate who I definitely don't support tho is Hillary, she's not true to the people. She's playing the game too hard.
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Post#52 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:16 am

makeitstop wrote:
Since I'm the one who stated that here, I feel like i have to speak up about it.

I want a Democrat who can win a damn election. i want someone who isn't going to get buffaloed by the media like John Kerry let himself be. I want someone who will look the likes of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity in the eye and tell him how wrong he is, and why.

I want someone who is going to stand up and defend themselves when some slime outfit like the Swift Boat guys go on cable TV and start lying their asses off.

You know it's coming.

I do. And in a situation like that I see Obama as the man who can very eloquently and gracefully tell them to STFU and come out looking better doing so. He has roundly deflected all such barbs so far (yeah, I did cocaine. So?). Kerry was supposed to have been the "electable" candidate last election and the way he turned out I'm very reluctant to make that distinction this time. That said, I think all three frontrunners have more going for them than freaking Kerry. He was downright awful with the swift boats saga. Looked like a doof.

If Obama is the nominee, he's got my vote with no reservation whatsoever. If Clinton is the nominee, same thing.

It's not me I'm worried about. I'll work to get the Dem nominee elected, just like I did for every middle-aged white guy that has been the nominee in the last 25 years, whether he's black, or a woman, or a freakin' potted palm.

Wordup.

But you have to admit that there are probably a lot of male voters who don't think a woman would be 'up to the job,' and there are a lot of white people who will look at Barack Obama and think he's not deserving of the office. It's not 'utter crap,' it's factorial.

It's a sad fact about this country. But you have to admit it's true.

Definitely for some. But I wonder how many dems are scared off because of the perception. There has been so much news coverage about America not being ready for a black man that I think a lot of folks that would otherwise be in his corner are fretting the "electability" question. I personally think that the perception that his race will cost him has become more of a deterrent than him actually being black. In a sense, he might actually have some advantages with many swing voters identifying with his mixed heritage.

Tonight, I think, is a bigger test for Obama than the others since Iowa would imo be one of those grounds that is usually up for grabs. If he wins tonight I think it shows that he _is_ electable. Yknow, unless he goes "YEEEEEEAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!" or something...

CNN HAS HIM AHEAD RIGHT NOW!!!!


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Post#53 » by knicks742 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:16 am

cmaff051 wrote:Obama is leading right now. Hillary is in 3rd. Wow. I realize the margins are slim - all 3 candidates are almost in a dead heat - but Hillary coming in 3rd would be a shock.


It wouldnt. Edwards was second last time around. Clintons are not popular there. As long as its that close, all 3 can claim victory and move on. remember that in the summer there was talk about Clinton even not campaigning in Iowa cause her campaign knew she had little chance of winning. If she can stay close to the other two, we are good and she can spin it. NH here we come.
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Post#54 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:25 am

slamvangundy wrote:Look, I'm not pretending like America is a color blind nation under a rainbow where we all hold hands and get along. But I think that the people who race is an issue for, are already commited republicans, and the states they live in are already red. If democrats are going to win this, they need to take the Kerry Gore states + take one of these states: Ohio, North Carolina, Colorado, Florida, Virginia.


There you go. I try not to make those distinctions personally but that is the impression I have as well. Voters in the middle may be swayed by his charisma and that's who we need to go for.
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Post#55 » by slamvangundy » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:29 am

is anyone watching nbc? chris matthews actually seems like he is on drugs right now. i think someone put acid in his coffee!
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Post#56 » by cmaff051 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:30 am

FoxNews is projecting Obama as the winner in Iowa!
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Post#57 » by Remember the Past » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:31 am

hillary and edwards tied. hope edwards get this one.
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Post#58 » by cmaff051 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:33 am

CNN: "This is a personal breakthrough for Obama. 95% of the eligible voters are white and Obama wins the state". :D
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Post#59 » by knicks742 » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:34 am

cmaff051 wrote:CNN: "This is a personal breakthrough for Obama. 95% of the eligible voters are white and Obama wins the state". :D


I hear Edwards is done already? So Obama versus Hillary the rest of the way. Im feeling good.
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Post#60 » by makeitstop » Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:36 am

Congratulations to Senator Obama.

No wonder Team Clinton was playing down how they were going to finish. they probably saw this coming.

Wow. and he's pulling away. Nearly 7 points between him and Edwards.

that's damned impressive.
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