The Sixers are NOT trading Miller

joey-A · Post #81 » by **joey-A** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:32 am

Bucky, Green was coming back from a serious season long Injury. That's why he was off. Look at his first season. You thing Green is garbage, can't shoot, doesn't pass. You think he is a negative value player in a trade right ? Well if you think that, then you are ALSO saying that....

1) Rashard McCants
2) Peja Stojakoviv
3) Bobby Simmons also ALL Suck. Cause each one of them average LESS Assists than Green, all of them shoot a lower % from the field than Green. And ALL of them are well known Black Ho's on Defense. And in Peja's case, he must be a Quadruple-Negative valued player. Cause he makes 4 times as much as Willie does....Right Bucky ?

Before Green got hurt, about 11 games ago. He tried to play hurt for 5 or so games. His overall numbers were really affected. Before that Injury, when he was starting, Green was shooting over 50 % from the field, 42 % from 3 Pt line, and averaging 3.4 assists a game. Peja, in 33 Min a game is averaging 1.3 assists a game. And HE,,,unlike Green has a Legit Inside force to get easy assists, in David West! What does Philly, and Green have ?...Evans ? Dalembert. Both good to very good players for what they do. But neither are players who command double teams from the opposing defenses. This makes Green's job harder. You can say he's ONLY averaging 2.5 to 3 assists a game. But that's a hell of alot better than 75 % of the other league SG's who play, and get to at least dominate the ball sometimes. Green does not. And has no inside force to go to on Offense.

So, if you're saying Willie is ****, then you ARE saying Peja is ****. McCants is ****., and Bobby Simmons as well.

Right ?

killbuckner · Post #82 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:40 am

uhh Joey- Simmons and peja are 2 of the worst contracts in the league for a reason. They both have major negative trade value.

McCants is on a rookie scale contract. But no- I wouldn't sign him to a long term contract until she shows a hell of a lot more than he has. Cause then he would have negative trade value and I would be stuck with him unless I bribed another team to take him.

These are really odd examples. 2 of the worst contracts in all of the NBA and a guy coming off microfracture surgery that hasn't done a thing in the league. Thanks for making my point for me I guess.

yungal07 · Post #83 » by **yungal07** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:04 am

killbuckner wrote:uhh Joey- Simmons and peja are 2 of the worst contracts in the league for a reason. They both have major negative trade value.

McCants is on a rookie scale contract. But no- I wouldn't sign him to a long term contract until she shows a hell of a lot more than he has. Cause then he would have negative trade value and I would be stuck with him unless I bribed another team to take him.

These are really odd examples. 2 of the worst contracts in all of the NBA and a guy coming off microfracture surgery that hasn't done a thing in the league. Thanks for making my point for me I guess.

I'm not sure what point he was trying to make, but he just reinforced the fact that Willie Green sucks with those terrible comparisons.

Raskolnikov · Post #84 » by **Raskolnikov** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:14 am

killbuckner wrote:Well- I certainly hope that Willie green is traded so you guys can see his negative trade value. Someone would have to be bribed to take him and its not particularly close. Green shoots a ton, doesn't shoot well, and doesn't pass. He is Flip Murray without so much passing. I guess if you think that green is a lock down defender then you might think he is worth it. But that is simply not at all true- he is a poor defender at SG no matter what philly fans want to think.

Green is actually a decent defender who can guard the opposing 1 or 2. His problem, at least last season which he just came back from a major surgery, was that he was perhaps the least efficient player on offensive side of the game in the ENTIRE LEAGUE. He shot a ton, poor percentage at that, never got to the line, and hardly looked to pass. But he has improved somewhat this season. I don't think Green's contract is nearly as bad as you suggest, but I do agree that Evans probably has more value at this point. Crap, the entire Knicks roster has worse "trade value" than Green, save for David Lee.

joey-A · Post #85 » by **joey-A** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:32 am

Simmons was a 17 Pt scorer with the Clippers before he signed with the Bucks. He then got hurt. Peja is near an All Star, and was hurt all last year. My point was that EACH of those guys kinda sucking this year MIGHT have something to do that when ANY player in league history has had a Injury that takes him out the whole season, it's not too hard to see them struggle their first year back. Just like Green last year. The year that Bucky is pointing out. No Green is NOT a starter. He shouldn't be. But, he has all the physical tools, and no matter what Bucky-Boy wants to believe, he does play solid defense. And at 3 million a year, he IS a value when you consider he can give a team instant Offense.
You guys thinking that Philly would some how have to sweeten the pot with their own Lottery pick in order for a team to send a ending contract back for him is beyond stupid. The Cavs for example are among the worst offensive teams in the league right now. Everytime James is doubled, they have a hard time scoring. Now Gibson is okay yes. But if you're telling me that they wouldn't trade Newble, who's deal ends, and makes slightly MORE than Green, then you are one lost puppy! The Cavs would do it in a heart beat. It's Philly who would have hesitation.

killbuckner · Post #86 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:38 am

Joey- I am telling you that Cleveland would NEVER do Newble for Green straight up.
N E V E R
Not even close.
Seriously you are joking right?

Raskolnikov · Post #87 » by **Raskolnikov** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:39 am

joey-A wrote:Simmons was a 17 Pt scorer with the Clippers before he signed with the Bucks. He then got hurt. Peja is near an All Star, and was hurt all last year. My point was that EACH of those guys kinda sucking this year MIGHT have something to do that when ANY player in league history has had a Injury that takes him out the whole season, it's not too hard to see them struggle their first year back. Just like Green last year. The year that Bucky is pointing out. No Green is NOT a starter. He shouldn't be. But, he has all the physical tools, and no matter what Bucky-Boy wants to believe, he does play solid defense. And at 3 million a year, he IS a value when you consider he can give a team instant Offense.
You guys thinking that Philly would some how have to sweeten the pot with their own Lottery pick in order for a team to send a ending contract back for him is beyond stupid. The Cavs for example are among the worst offensive teams in the league right now. Everytime James is doubled, they have a hard time scoring. Now Gibson is okay yes. But if you're telling me that they wouldn't trade Newble, who's deal ends, and makes slightly MORE than Green, then you are one lost puppy! The Cavs would do it in a heart beat. It's Philly who would have hesitation.

I just defended Willie from people who most likely haven't watched him this season. But I doubt the Cavs touch that deal, unless it is getting closer to the trade deadline and Willie keeps playing somewhat smarter as he has been. Oh, and they will not take on additional salary before removing Hughes.

yungal07 · Post #88 » by **yungal07** » Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:46 am

killbuckner wrote:Joey- I am telling you that Cleveland would NEVER do Newble for Green straight up.
N E V E R
Not even close.
Seriously you are joking right?

You are 100% right.
The Cavs have a similar player in Devin Brown. Larry Hughes is stinking it up. There is no way they would dedicate more money on another below average shooting guard making too much money.