Michael Hunt on fire-calls for team to be blown up

[heynow]

[quote="THE DINJ"][/quote]


FIrst Dinj, his point is that it doesn't matter what "players" you bring in.
This organization needs to be ****, and the **** starts with correcting one of their monumental blunders, signing Redd to max contract. A shooting guard who can do one thing shoot.
LIke Hunt, I want the whole thing torn apart. THat is his most important point.
He isn't just talking about the damn roster. When will you guys get smart and understand this "FRANCHISE IS BROKEN" not just the "DAMN ROSTER".
The reason the roster is a mess is because we have a owner who is US Senator (a very demanding job...) who refuse to turn over the basketball decision making to a GROUP OF QUALIFIED BASKETBALL MEN... Instead he surrounds himself with ass-kissers and yes-men who never question his decisions or take a stand when they know he is wrong. Instead they continue to implement his half-ass ideas which lead to the type of rosters we see every year.

It is not bad luck or a few missed opportunities that lead to this mess it is that the guy making basketball decisions doesn't know what the hell he is doing. Occasionally, like a monkey with a typewriter, he stumbles into something. Hiring Karl and getting Robinson, Allen and Cassell together and even that somehow blows up in his face.
Bad things happen to the Bucks because the man running the show is incompetent.

Again, Kohl the senator a good public servant and I will vote for him if he runs again.
Kohl, the BB owner a laughingstock.
The two things have nothing to do with each other, and only a dolt would think they do.

[paul]

Very disappointing as I thought you meant the subject title literally. I though this clown's hot air stayed internal and he self-combusted.
As far as the column itself, not even the quality of half the posts here. Has he just discovered the internal problems with the upper management or the contracts of Bucks' underperformers (actually overrewarded for their normal performances for several years). Strange that for this buffon the third head coach should have receptive players, but he still demeans the previous two head coaches who also could have used receptive players (and perhaps a supportive gm office).

Great line Epi.

I too found it interesting that he basically said that our last 3 coaching appointments were crap, yet this one deserves a better more receptive playing group and front office support. However i think this was probably a flippant line more than anything, if pressed i suspect he'd say the previous two deserved it as well.

All in all i'm pleased the article was printed in mainstream media though and i suspect a few more may come. While we've all read pretty much the exact same comments on here WE don't put pressure on Kohl, mainstream media does. So if he ripped it off then good on him, would have been nice to see the bucks realgm board get an assist credit though

[El Duderino]

That said, I agree that Kohl made a mistake last summer bringing back Harris. What he should have done if he was going to fire Stotts was to fire both the head coach and GM, bring in a new GM and allow that person to have his own head coach and begin plotting the course for the team to take.

Yep

Senator Kohl has been smart enough to make himself a very rich man via a very successful business, yet he thinks it's a good idea to tell basketball men he's hired to run the team, i know better than you on who should coach the team.

I look at our two professional franchises in the state, the Packers and Brewers, both turned the corner after hiring smart GM's and getting out of their way. Harlan didn't butt in and tell Ron Wolf that this Mike Holmgren guy isn't what i see as a good fit and pick the coach instead. Attanasio doesn't tell Melvin who has to manage the Brewers or nix trades. He gives Melvin a budget and let's Doug do his job.

You'd think at some point that Herb would finally wake up and see his style of doing things has resulted in him wasting a lot of his own cash with little to show for it, just doesn't happen though even with the Packers success and the Brewers revival staring him in the face.

[bigkurty]

If we are going to blow up the team from the top down, can we blow up the inner circle too? Seriously this team has been mired in mediocrity for much longer than Harris' term except for the brief period of the big 3. What I want to know is how long the inner circle of Ron Walter and the other unnamed cronnies have been in charge of the team. GAD, I am guessing you might know this. Can you fill me in? Cause as more and more time passes I am thinking the blame falls on them and Kohl more and more since they think they are all GM's.

[zizek]

Senator Kohl has been smart enough to make himself a very rich man via a very successful business, yet he thinks it's a good idea to tell basketball men he's hired to run the team, i know better than you on who should coach the team.

Wasn't Max Kohl, his uncle I believe, the brains behind the business: though Herb apparently ran it for a while.

[trwi7]

Mike Hunt just wrote a spectacular article.

You bet he did.

[wichmae]

why cant we add Ersan to the list of Drew and Yi?

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Very disappointing as I thought you meant the subject title literally. I though this clown's hot air stayed internal and he self-combusted.

As far as the column itself, not even the quality of half the posts here. Has he just discovered the internal problems with the upper management

As I believe you've become familiar, Hunt is not a quality columnist. He always seems to be a day late and a dollar short, as they say.

He's mentioned Kohl as a meddler before, and so have others (although there aren't many voices around here widely listened to or read that have said such things, other than maybe Hunt and Mark Belling, who has very limited basketball knowledge).

He's never mentioned the whole "inner circle" aspect before. No one in the more traditional media around here has. It gets talked about now on WSSP and of course in this forum, but that's been it basically. Even here it took a while to become widely known/accepted. It is a cause I have been championing around here for I'd say about two years now, more intensely so after the 05-06 season.

I don't even recall the state of this topic prior to it becoming a regular topic I'd focus on. Was there anyone else talking about this on here prior to me? PP25 maybe? MD? FBF? xTitan? Someone else? I can't seem to remember, but now I am curious.

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True, but he doesn't go any further. He could have talked about how Kohl's inner circle completely bungling the Mo negotiations, for example, which led to the Bucks outbidding themselves. Or how Kohl's inner circle shot down trade offers for Marion and Boozer the past two summers. These are things we all know here but the average Bucks fan does not.

Yeah, that goes right to my whole "day late, dollar short" take on Hunt. I am glad it got mentioned at all, but like you said, it really should go AT LEAST a bit further than that. The average person who reads that column won't have much of an idea what Hunt is talking about with the "inner circle" comment and without expanding on that point, it risks being glossed over by many/most people who read the column.

It's easy to say - blow the team up. But how do they do that? Should the Bucks trade Redd and Mo for picks? Should they try to get some cheap vets? What's the approach that should be taken? Hunt doesn't provide one and if I were to be cynical I'd say it's because he doesn't want to be tied to a position so that he has the freedom to make a new one up later.

Not that he's ever done that before, of course.

I think you misspelled a word there. You spelled it as c-y-n-i-c-a-l but I believe the spelling you are looking for is c-o-r-r-e-c-t.

[Sigra]

This is the best Bucks article that has been written in the paper that I can remember. Finally somebody calls this organization out as a whole and it starts at the top. Just a very good article by Hunt. Hope theres more to come now

Agreed. It is one thing that we talk about that here and it is completly another thing when it is writen in the paper. Even if he stole all of our lines I still aploud him because he is first to do that. This is very very important article. First time EVER that you can read in paper that Redd should be traded. That is HUGE. The whole atmosphere is changing and that's great to see.

I also want to remind people that Hunt talked about trading TJ just few weeks before that hapened. And he talked about firing Stotts just few weeks before that hapened. I always had impresion that Hunt prepare public for future moves. Almost like he works for Bucks and their PR departmant. Hmmm

[paulpressey25]

FWIW I remember Hunt writing a "We need to trade Ray Allen" column about a couple days before he was sent packing. "Ray can't lead a winning team, etc, etc."

All signs point to Herb having his hand on the plunger here.....and in Herb style he'll have issued the ultimatums already this week with a "Perform in the next ten days or else" fashion.

If the next 4-5 games go badly I look for a major move (most likely GM) to occur next Friday afternoon, right before the big Packers playoff game so there is zero media coverage of it.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

In one respect I'm sympathetic to Kohl, because if I had a half billion, I'd buy the Bucks and meddle more than he ever did. Under my reign, the GM's job would be to choose 2nd round draft picks and fill out the bottom half of the roster with minimum salary guys.

But heynow makes a great point: why should taxpayers subsidize some rich man's self-indulgent hobby? In a lot of cities, the citizens have decided that pro sports are not like other businesses, and they don't mind spending a half billion on the arena because people get so much enjoyment out of having the team there. But in a case where the team isn't operating to win, but instead operating to let a tinkering owner have fun... it doesn't seem to give citizens of Wisconsin the same joy. So why should they pay so much of their own money to make the business model profitable for Kohl? It's not like he's returning the favor.

If a business wants to make a subsidized profit, they should have to provide a public service.

[europa]

FWIW I remember Hunt writing a "We need to trade Ray Allen" column about a couple days before he was sent packing. "Ray can't lead a winning team, etc, etc."

And he strongly endorsed the trade after it happened. These days, he writes about it being one of the worst moves the team ever made and a blunder that never should have happened.

Hard to believe I could be cynical about his position - or lack thereof - in this particular instance.

[THE DINJ]

I also want to remind people that Hunt talked about trading TJ just few weeks before that hapened. And he talked about firing Stotts just few weeks before that hapened. I always had impresion that Hunt prepare public for future moves. Almost like he works for Bucks and their PR departmant. Hmmm

Exactly. The guy's not prophetic--he has inside info. Of that I'm pretty sure.

And he strongly endorsed the trade after it happened. These days, he writes about it being one of the worst moves the team ever made and a blunder that never should have happened.

Not to mention the Anthony Mason disaster.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I'm not buying this cr@p like most of you are. He sounds like a disgruntled fan to me and doesn't offer any ideas or plans on how to make the team better. Trading everybody isn't a great plan.

Hunt has been on board with just about every move made including resigning Redd and resigning Mo.


The problem to me is we've had assistant coaches trying to lead this team ever since George Karl left. Until Herb Kohl realizes we need an experienced coach leading an inexperienced team we will have the blind leading the blind.


Add this article calling out for Redd to be traded to the fact that Redd is not playing Washington tonight for a "deep thigh bruise" that I don't think anyone saw against Miami and you can start speculating.

But I think Harris will be fired within a week or two so the new GM can come in a make some moves before the deadline.

[InsideOut]

The trade Redd and blow it up crowd love the article.

The Redd is great build around him crowd hate the article.

Imagine that.

A local reported called out Kohl and his cronies and listed their mistakes. Nitpick all you want but I don't think that's a bad thing. As far as him not telling us how he'd rebuild the team...who cares. Like Epi always says, were not NBA coaches or GMs so our opinion means NOTHING when it comes to what moves the Buck's should make. Hunt's opinions would be as worthless as our.

[Jollay]

I feel Hunt's columns have been much better the past 2 years or so.

I personally believe the opposite concerning Redd, but I think its a good column just for the calling out of upper management, as stated.

[heynow]

I'm not buying this cr@p like most of you are. He sounds like a disgruntled fan to me and doesn't offer any ideas or plans on how to make the team better. Trading everybody isn't a great plan.

Hunt has been on board with just about every move made including resigning Redd and resigning Mo.


The problem to me is we've had assistant coaches trying to lead this team ever since George Karl left. Until Herb Kohl realizes we need an experienced coach leading an inexperienced team we will have the blind leading the blind.


Add this article calling out for Redd to be traded to the fact that Redd is not playing Washington tonight for a "deep thigh bruise" that I don't think anyone saw against Miami and you can start speculating.

But I think Harris will be fired within a week or two so the new GM can come in a make some moves before the deadline.

My News Year resolution was to be honest with everyone. Stop measuring my words.
Dude are you insane?
You have to have been in a coma for the last 20 or so years. No one cares about trading guys. The remedy is that Kohl has to stop meddling and turn the basketball matters over to basketball people.
These idiotic trade threads around here are a monumental waste of time.
The franchises management structure needs to be gutted ie.. the Senator needs to fire himself as the mastermind of this mess.

[cheeztrain]

Found this on hoopsype from Yahoo sports. Not sure if it's posted already

3. MILWAUKEE (12-19, 12th in Eastern Conference)

Among league executives, there

[smauss]

I read the Hunt article, and while it says what most of us here already know, and it is anarchistic, as it doesn't offer any solutions, it does calls Kohl out "publicly." If it is one thing that politicians don't like is being exposed publicly. For that reason I am thankful for the article. IMHO, there needs to be many more articles like this.......

I haven't read this thread so if I'm being redundant, forgive me!

[Buck You]

Found this on hoopsype from Yahoo sports. Not sure if it's posted already

3. MILWAUKEE (12-19, 12th in Eastern Conference)

Among league executives, there