Ruzious wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I like Williams - he's a legitimately talented player. But he's a terrible fit as the PG with Milwaukee.
You haven't watched him this year I assume?
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nate33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
And the Redd trade puts Milwaukee in position to get him.
nate33 wrote:Trade 1: Acquire defensive center:
Milwaukee trades: Bogut, Mason
Philly trades: Dalembert
Why for Philly: They get a younger, cheaper center who has the potential to develop into a better player down the road.
nate33 wrote:No, I am not wrong.
I'm assuming next year Bogut+Mason cost $9.5M
The year after, Bogut costs $8.0M (a guess on his new contract)
And the year after that, Bogut costs $8.5M
stellation wrote:What's the difference between Gery Woelful and this glass of mineral water? The mineral water actually has a source."
I Hate Manure wrote:We look to be awful next season without Beasley.
RingtheBell wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
So if Bogut could be better in the future, why would a rebuilding team trade a younger, cheaper player?
nate33 wrote:But the main thing here is that I think Bogut is mildly overrated by Bucks fans, and Dalembert is mildly underrated by just about everybody. If nothing else, note that Philly has a better record (and a MUCH better point differential) than Milwaukee despite playing with total garbage at SG and PF. If you argue that Iggy and Redd are roughly equivalent, and Mo Williams and Andre Miller are roughly equivalent; the reason Philly is better than Milwaukee must be that Dalembert and a bunch of scrubs are better than Bogut and the rest of Milwaukee's decent supporting cast.
nate33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Because Dalembert is a better fit alongside Yi.
Also, it's not a certainty that Bogut will end up better than Dalembert, nor is a certainty that he'll be cheaper. Bogut is up for a contract during an offseason when a bunch of teams will have cap space. Milwaukee might be faced with the choice of letting him go for nothing, or matching an extraordinarily high contract offer.
But the main thing here is that I think Bogut is mildly overrated by Bucks fans, and Dalembert is mildly underrated by just about everybody. If nothing else, note that Philly has a better record (and a MUCH better point differential) than Milwaukee despite playing with total garbage at SG and PF. If you argue that Iggy and Redd are roughly equivalent, and Mo Williams and Andre Miller are roughly equivalent; the reason Philly is better than Milwaukee must be that Dalembert and a bunch of scrubs are better than Bogut and the rest of Milwaukee's decent supporting cast.
stellation wrote:What's the difference between Gery Woelful and this glass of mineral water? The mineral water actually has a source."
I Hate Manure wrote:We look to be awful next season without Beasley.
RingtheBell wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
So we trade Redd and make our team that much worse then Philly? That was a horrible comparison.
trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Again explain how Dalembert is a better fit next to Yi. You keep saying that and we keep telling you Dalembert and Bogut both do exactly the same thing except Bogut is younger and could be better by your own admission. So if we're rebuilding we'll keep the younger and potentially better player.
nate33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Dalembert rebounds better, blocks more shots, and has a long history of dramatically improving his team's on/off defensive numbers (opponent FG%, defensive rebounding percentage, points per 100 possessions, etc).
Bogut rebounds less, blocks fewer shots, and the on/off numbers show that he makes his team worse with respect to on/off defensive numbers.
stellation wrote:What's the difference between Gery Woelful and this glass of mineral water? The mineral water actually has a source."
I Hate Manure wrote:We look to be awful next season without Beasley.
nate33 wrote:Dalembert is 26. He is 3-1/2 years older than Bogut. he's still got a good 8-10 years of game left in him. Let's not make this out like I'm proposing trading Bogut for Kurt Thomas or something.
stellation wrote:What's the difference between Gery Woelful and this glass of mineral water? The mineral water actually has a source."
I Hate Manure wrote:We look to be awful next season without Beasley.
Ruzious wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
LOL, you guys are killing me withing your indepth logic. Bucks fans are too smart for these kinds of posts.
stellation wrote:What's the difference between Gery Woelful and this glass of mineral water? The mineral water actually has a source."
I Hate Manure wrote:We look to be awful next season without Beasley.
trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
How many times have you seen him this year? Mo has completely changed his game this year. He still needs to work on his defense but he just turned 25 and would fit with our young core.
Ruzious wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
LOL, you guys are killing me withing your indepth logic. Bucks fans are too smart for these kinds of posts.
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trwi7 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
But he is still 3-1/2 years older. Your proposed Redd trade means the Bucks are rebuilding which would mean it would make sense to keep the younger player, correct?
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