OT - Wiretap: Firesale in Milwaukee?

[beefman]

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if based on talent, yes.

but based on team needs, then no. we needs hump's tough rebounding and inside hustle more than charlie's offense.

AGE

Hump 22 > CV 23

MPG

Hump 16 < CV 19

Shooting %

Hump 49.4 > CV 43.8

FT &

Charlie 73.5 > Hump 68.5

Rebounding

Charlie 4.7 > Hump 4.6

OFF REB

Hump 1.7 > CV 1.6

Ast/To ratio

Hump .625 > CV .416

Steals

Hump .4 > CV .2

Block

Hump .5 > CV .3

PPG

CV 9.3 > Hump 7

note: CV attempts 8.3 fg per game vs Humps 5.8

Hump has more upside, plays better defense and is more efficient than CV...this talent you speak of has only showed itself once... near the end of his rookie season on a terrible team when the game meant absolutly nothing...

its only a one year diff in age so its not that big of a deal. their rebounding is identical

i think the reason why CV has struggled has more to do with the coaching system and his comfort level. it doesn't seem he ever got over being traded.

CV has more offensive weapons than hump. CV has a better jumpshot, can hit 3's, more effective post up, and can hit FT better

my evidence for CV having a better shot than hump despite what the FG% is, because most of hump's shots are around the net. CV prob takes more jumpshots

[vampyrv]

Charlie V needs to come home. Get it done BC.

[dillio]

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Cv is a better shooter huh? You talk about me picking stats to help my point even though tou completly ignore the fact Hump has a higher FG%

Cv is a better ball handler? sure i will take your word for it
a better passer? NO

Why would you say no to the better passer part? Because of Hump's negligibly higher AST/TO ratio?

[CPT]

Houston should be all over that deal.

Redd would be a great 2nd option to Yao. And with Battier still around they would be fine defensively on the wing. Charlie V could get some minutes at PF there, and possibly even start for them. I think Adelman would like his game.

Plus they get a 1st round pick from one of the crappier teams in the league. It would be heavily protected though I'm sure.

The thing is, I just don't see McGrady going to Milwaukee.

[JD225]

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some explanation always helps

I explained right after that Jose/Redd would be a terrible backcourt defensively.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

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I explained right after that Jose/Redd would be a terrible backcourt defensively.

I wonder what would be the over/under on Kobe for 100 against that backcourt.

[inrapscity]

Kapono+Dixon for CV+Mason.

[RomaniaLuvTR]

humiliation in milwaukee..u should listen their commentator, he`s not a homer like chuck..he destroys their attitude and he has just prayed tj for his character

[Theta64]

all things being equal, i'd offer humphries and bargnani for yi.

realistically though, other than yi and bogut, i'm not too enthralled by the other players when considering their contracts and what the raptors would have to get up to get them.

if the Rockets get offered that deal, they should definitely do it. a lottery pick which will likely be top 10, a lethal shooter in Redd, and someone to play alongside Yao--all Houston would need is a legitimate point guard before becoming a credible threat in the West

That is so far the stupidest trade thought of. Sorry, but really, why would you trade a number 1 with lots of potential to be a "hybird" center and and tough nosed energy player who is only 22, and still developing to attain a 7 footer who mimics Barg's on a good night.

[KingClutch]

Bogut is a true center. We haven't had a good one of those in a while. And don't even say Rasho.

[Shak23]

Michael Redd at any cost!

[JD225]

Bogut is a true center. We haven't had a good one of those in a while. And don't even say Rasho.

Doesn't matter what he is. Bryan will not bring any negativity to the franchise. He traded Hoffa for a reason. There is no way he trades some of the assets on a team for a big man that is largely considered a bust by the media and fans.

[Meursault]

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That is so far the stupidest trade thought of. Sorry, but really, why would you trade a number 1 with lots of potential to be a "hybird" center and and tough nosed energy player who is only 22, and still developing to attain a 7 footer who mimics Barg's on a good night.

uh, maybe because if you considered the fact that the "7 footer who mimics Bargs on a good night" is already showing signs of being a legitimate shotblocker, a competent rebounder, and someone who doesn't take a disproportionate number of shots from beyond the arc, you'd realize that the trade offer isn't really as stupid as your immediate dismissal of it.

throw in the fact that at worst, Yi is the same age as Bargnani, and at best, 2 years younger, and you'd see that the upside of the former is arguably a fair bit greater than that of the latter. And as much as i've supported Bargnani, the difference between the two could be conceivably as wide of a margin as 3 or 4 Kris Humphries, let alone just one.

[REM]

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Doesn't matter what he is. Bryan will not bring any negativity to the franchise. He traded Hoffa for a reason. There is no way he trades some of the assets on a team for a big man that is largely considered a bust by the media and fans.

If Bogut is a bust, what is Andrea?

[JD225]

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If Bogut is a bust, what is Andrea?

Bargnani has the P word attached to his name. He also has the faith of a GM who basically turned a franchise around in one off season. Andrea isn't really a bust at this point.

[REM]

Ummmm. ok.

Andy can start on more than 20 NBA teams. He's a very solid center. Worth a number 1? Probably not, although he is the same age as Andrea so he has time to improve as much as Bargs. But he's more than servicable as an NBA certer and not even close to being a bust.

[WD-40]

No way.

I am becoming more and more impressed at Humps ability to play some semblance of defence, unlike Charlie No-D.

Plus I reckon Humps will be a cap friendly player whereas CV likely not.

[Tha Cynic]

Cv is a better shooter huh? You talk about me picking stats to help my point even though tou completly ignore the fact Hump has a higher FG%

Cv is a better ball handler? sure i will take your word for it
a better passer? NO

Most of Humphries' points come on dunks, thus the high FG%. CV is the better overall shooter. One of the reasons Bargnani's a poor shooter is because most of his points come from the perimeter too. We also saw that CV has a knack for going after the ball when he was here. I have no doubt he'll return to that if he plays somewhere like Toronto. As for passing, is that a joke? Dixons is probably the only player who passes less than Humphries in the league. Yea, that's an exaggeration, but you get the point. Humphries does not like to pass.

But there's no point in having Bosh, Bargnani and CV on the same team, so this is all moot.

[WD-40]

No way TMac shows up to the Bucks. Cold, small, rebuilding. No TMac.

CV would look great next to Yao.