Wizards @ Bucks - 1/4/08 - 7:30PM

rilamann · Post #201 » by **rilamann** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:41 am

MickeyDavis wrote:You can make some trades, you can change GM's but the only way this franchise ever has real success is to change the owner.

Unfortantly when it all comes down to it that is the truth.

trwi7 · Post #202 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:41 am

Simulack wrote:Haywood: 7 points (3-6), 6 rebounds 2 blocks and a steal

Bogut: 8 points (4-10), 5 rebounds 2 assists

Bogut also did most of his damage when Haywood was out. It shows how **** this team is that our number 1 pick getting outplayed by Haywood (or at best matching his productin) is a bright spot.

Beat me to it.

bigzy · Post #203 » by **bigzy** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:43 am

[quote="MickeyDavis"]You can make some trades, you can change GM's but the only way this franchise ever has real success is to change the owner.[/quote

You seem to always blame everything on the owner. If they change owners and have the same Gm, players and coaches will that solve the problem?? He may have contributed to the problem but LH cannot get a free pass nor should some of the players.

stellation · Post #204 » by **stellation** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:43 am

trwi7 wrote:Jim has really brought up the Irish thing quite a bit. Like we give a **** that McGlocklin and McCollow are Irish.

It's a sad day when commentators think that the only way to keep us interested in a game is to discuss their family heritage.

paul · Post #205 » by **paul** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:43 am

[quote="Simulack"][/quote]

Apart from the first two plays of the game bogut wasn't involved in the offense at all until that 6 minute stretch in the third where he scored 8 and gave 2 assists, keep him involved and he'll smash heywoods numbers.

xTitan · Post #206 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:43 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Haywood: 7 points (3-6), 6 rebounds 2 blocks and a steal

Bogut: 8 points (4-10), 5 rebounds 2 assists

Bogut also did most of his damage when Haywood was out. It shows how **** this team is that our number 1 pick getting outplayed by Haywood (or at best matching his productin) is a bright spot.

Please....you are not really that stupid....Haywood is getting looks because he has teammates......besides I like Haywood he is a nice center....but if Haywood was on the Bucks now they may have 18 points.

rilamann · Post #207 » by **rilamann** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:44 am

[quote="Simulack"][/quote]

The gaurds didn't pass the ball to Bogut when Haywood was out there I think Bogut touched the ball like 2 times when Haywood was on the court.

But its not realy about that or even about numbers,its all about heart and effort and Bogut is the only one out there who looks like he gives a damn.

xTitan · Post #208 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:44 am

bigzy wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:You can make some trades, you can change GM's but the only way this franchise ever has real success is to change the owner.[/quote

You seem to always blame everything on the owner. If they change owners and have the same Gm, players and coaches will that solve the problem?? He may have contributed to the problem but LH cannot get a free pass nor should some of the players.

You may know Stotts but you have NO idea about this ownership group...none, having said that no one is giving Harris a free pass.

icat2000 · Post #209 » by **icat2000** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:44 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Haywood: 7 points (3-6), 6 rebounds 2 blocks and a steal

Bogut: 8 points (4-10), 5 rebounds 2 assists

Bogut also did most of his damage when Haywood was out. It shows how **** this team is that our number 1 pick getting outplayed by Haywood (or at best matching his production) is a bright spot.

Bogut got 4 points when Haywood was out and 4 points when Haywood was in.

trwi7 · Post #210 » by **trwi7** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:45 am

bigzy wrote:You seem to always blame everything on the owner. If they change owners and have the same Gm, players and coaches will that solve the problem?? He may have contributed to the problem but LH cannot get a free pass nor should some of the players.

Have you read some of the **** on here? We could've had Boozer but Kohl wouldn't let Harris pull the trigger. We could've had Marion but Kohl wouldn't let Harris pull the trigger. You think the team wouldn't be in better shape if we had one of those two?

schweig · Post #211 » by **schweig** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:46 am

They should really start showing some old 70s and 80s games on off nights

Simulack · Post #212 » by **Simulack** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:46 am

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Please....you are not really that stupid....Haywood is getting looks because he has teammates......besides I like Haywood he is a nice center....but if Haywood was on the Bucks now they may have 18 points.

Its a wash who is better right now between Haywood and Bogut and any non-biased person knows it. Whatever difference there is between them is very minimal at this point. Good defensive players with limited offensive games who are solid rebounders.

Bogut's only real edge at this point is his passing ability which is admittedly much better than Haywood's.

Haywood certainly outplayed him when they were matched up together. Bogut got most of his when Haywood was out.

bigzy · Post #213 » by **bigzy** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:46 am

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You may know Stotts but you have NO idea about this ownership group...none, having said that no one is giving Harris a free pass.

What the hell does Stotts have to do with my question???? I simply asked if MD felt the owner was the only problem. But since you chose to bring up Stotts it is pretty obvious he wasn't the main problem.

Post #214 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:46 am

bigzy wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:You can make some trades, you can change GM's but the only way this franchise ever has real success is to change the owner.[/quote

You seem to always blame everything on the owner. If they change owners and have the same Gm, players and coaches will that solve the problem?? He may have contributed to the problem but LH cannot get a free pass nor should some of the players.

Since Kohl took over we have had several GM's, several coaches and hundreds of players. And we have had very little success. The common denominator in our lack of success is Kohl. We need a new owner, who will clean house and start from scratch.

Simulack · Post #215 » by **Simulack** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:46 am

bigzy wrote:You seem to always blame everything on the owner. If they change owners and have the same Gm, players and coaches will that solve the problem?? He may have contributed to the problem but LH cannot get a free pass nor should some of the players.

MD's point obviously is that we wouldn't have the same GM, players and coaches if we had a different owner.

xTitan · Post #216 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:46 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Its a wash who is better right now between Haywood and Bogut and any non-biased fan knows it. Whatever difference there is between them is very minimal at this point. Good defensive players with limited offensive games who are solid rebounders.

Bogut's only real edge at this point is his passing ability which is admittedly much better than Haywood's.

you are hardly a non-biased fan........

LUKE23 · Post #217 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:47 am

"Guys usually complain when he goes one on one". Interesting comment by Todd.

Sigra · Post #218 » by **Sigra** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:47 am

unklchuk wrote:The team didn't quit, IMO, they just never got started. They tried to move the ball (without Redd) and all that resulted was turnovers.

Their problem is that they always try to do something (what they agreed to do before) no metter what defense do. We should take what defense give us and not force things that are not there. That has been problem for Krystkowiak all season long. He wants to go inside and pass the ball even when that is not there and you have open shots from outside aviable. Then when that doesn't work, of course, we force from outside. We have no concept to recognize what defense give us and there is always something that defense give you. All of this is coach's fault but also PG's fault.

unklchuk · Post #219 » by **unklchuk** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:48 am

"I want something, ANYTHING to happen."

What MD said.

Doing something, anything now would fit the pattern of failure perfectly. They'd do the wrong thing. A brief PR gain, then sinking back into the swamp.

I take my position from the presidential contest: I Stand for Change. At the top. If qualified pros are willing to get involved. Otherwise, let this season be a long march to the lottery.

xTitan · Post #220 » by **xTitan** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 2:48 am

bigzy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What the hell does Stotts have to do with my question???? I simply asked if MD felt the owner was the only problem. But since you chose to bring up Stotts it is pretty obvious he wasn't the main problem.

Stotts was absolutely NOT the main problem......the main problem is, and always will be a terrible ownership group.