Redd is possibly being shopped, whaddya got?

[sipclip]

What if we also take back Gadzuric?

Redd
Villanueva
Gadz

For

Maggs
Cassell
Ross
Powell
Knight
Dickau
Williams
top 12 protected first
minny pick


The trade clears 24mil in capspace for you guys and you can turn around and trade Maggs and Cassell right away for draft picks and expiring contracts.

[skones]

What if we also take back Gadzuric?

Redd
Villanueva
Gadz

For

Maggs
Cassell
Ross
Powell
Knight
Dickau
Williams
top 12 protected first
minny pick


The trade clears 24mil in capspace for you guys and you can turn around and trade Maggs and Cassell right away for draft picks and expiring contracts.

That deal is too big for anything to ever come to fruitition. 10 player deals rarely happen, let alone 10 player deals in which one team is dealing 7 of them.

[sipclip]

I figured guys like Dickau, Powell and Williams were just fillers. You could waive Ivey, Ruffin, Storey and Noel to make it happen.

[skones]

I figured guys like Dickau, Powell and Williams were just fillers. You could waive Ivey, Ruffin, Storey and Noel to make it happen.

They are fillers, but the fact that we have to waive four guys just to make it happen, means it won't happen.

[BrooklynBulls]

This is my earnest, working trade proposal for Redd. Bucks fans, please respond.

The bucks need D. The bucks need a lot of D. They need passers.

Ben Wallace (hold on, this is better than it looks)
Thabo Sefolosha
Tyrus Thomas

FOR

Gadzuric
Bell
Redd

The Bulls free up salary and front court time. The Bucks free up more long-term salary, and get 3 good defenders, young prospects, and get a ton of caproom 2 years from now. A TON.

[trwi7]

So expiring Voskuhl for expiring Khryapa.
Bad contract Wallace for bad contract Gadzuric.
Decent bench player Sefolosha for slightly overpaid decent bench Bell.
Thomas for Redd.

Yeah that's not happening.

[BrooklynBulls]

So expiring Voskuhl for expiring Khryapa.
Bad contract Wallace for bad contract Gadzuric.
Decent bench player Sefolosha for slightly overpaid decent bench Bell.
Thomas for Redd.

Yeah that's not happening.

I revised the trade. This trade is not meant to win on talent. You rebuild your team with pieces that fit, Bell has been AWFUL and is locked up for a long, long time, and you get cap space to resign every young player you have, or add more. Would you like to suggest something more along the lines of your thinking?

Edit: Just so you know, one of Wallace/Nocioni has to go for the bulls to deal. Our salary would be astronomical without that. Hinrich is not available b/c we have to pair D with O in our backcourt. Gordon is available, but I don't know that you'd want him. You have Williams, and Gordon will get paid somewhere around Redd territory (50+).

[TGM]

This is my earnest, working trade proposal for Redd. Bucks fans, please respond.

The bucks need D. The bucks need a lot of D. They need passers.

Ben Wallace (hold on, this is better than it looks)
Thabo Sefolosha
Tyrus Thomas

FOR

Gadzuric
Bell
Redd

The Bulls free up salary and front court time. The Bucks free up more long-term salary, and get 3 good defenders, young prospects, and get a ton of caproom 2 years from now. A TON.

This is the worst Redd trade I've seen. Wallace's contract essential ly makes it negative value to the team that takes him on. His contract also cripples Milwaukee to do anything via FA signings. In addition, its not like Bogut is a scrub, the Bucks wouldn't want a 14 million backup C, and don't forget they still have Charlie V that needs PT.

Bell is actually in my mind better than Thabo, Thabo has been really overhyped by Bulls fans, if Thabo was on a team like the Grizzlies and played the way he has, fans would already be labeling him as a bust.

TT is a solid talent, but he doesn't fit Milwaukee, giving that they are stacked at PF. TT is also not a SF, his outside shooting is non-existent.

I think if a trade for Redd occured Gordon would have to be offered.

Something like Gordon, Duhon, Joe Smith and a first is more likely.

[BrooklynBulls]

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This is the worst Redd trade I've seen. Wallace's contract essential ly makes it negative value to the team that takes him on. His contract also cripples Milwaukee to do anything via FA signings. In addition, its not like Bogut is a scrub, the Bucks wouldn't want a 14 million backup C, and don't forget they still have Charlie V that needs PT.

Bell is actually in my mind better than Thabo, Thabo has been really overhyped by Bulls fans, if Thabo was on a team like the Grizzlies and played the way he has, fans would already be labeling him as a bust.

TT is a solid talent, but he doesn't fit Milwaukee, giving that they are stacked at PF. TT is also not a SF, his outside shooting is non-existent.

I think if a trade for Redd occured Gordon would have to be offered.

Something like Gordon, Duhon, Joe Smith and a first is more likely.

I was thinking of putting Wallace in as a PF/C to bolster your D. He's still a good defensive player, but his offense hurts the bulls more than it would the bucks, since you have a bevy of O. He's a valuable expiring 2 years from now, to get you guys under the cap. Gadz is not talent, just a bad contract, and I figured a swap would be good for a team that wants to get the contracts off the cap ASAP. You can put Noc in, and take out Gadz.

I disagree about TT not fitting. I think he fits really well. Put 2 hybrid forwards next to each other. Yi defends PF's, Tyrus SF's (he can do so easily). On offense, Yi is the SF, Tyrus the PF. Villanueva relieves both, and Simmons can get lost.

I don't like Thabo either, but then again, he can't shoot, and the Bulls need shooters.

If you want Gordon, thats fine. Gordon+filler, is fine by me. I figured you wanted defense. I gave you defense.

[1eyedjake]

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We need a small forward and more depth on the bench.

I came up with a trade on the trade checker before reading this post, which matches these concerns.

Orlando trades:
Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo
Pat Garrity
Two 1st round picks

Orlando Receives:
Michael Redd

Milwaukee trades:
Michael Redd

Milwaukee receives:
Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo
Pat Garrity

Why for Orlando:
To shore up the SG position. I'm hesitant to deal Hedo, as well as he's been playing this year. He's really been the spine of the team this season... however, this frees up Rashard Lewis to play permanently at SF, with Redd at SG.
A follow up deal would be required by Orlando to find a replacement PF, preferably one who can adequately defend and hit any open shots that are left from Howard being double teamed. Trade bait would be the expirings of Evans, Bogans and Dooling.
Another 'hole' remains at PG, where Nelson is more vulnerable without Arroyo and without Hedo's playmaking. I'd love to see Andre Miller or another equally capable PG in Orlando but they probably don't have the assets to do this deal and another for a PG... especially given the more pressing PF need if Turkoglu is gone.


Why for Milwaukee:
With their season starting to slip following losses such as the massive one to Detroit, this is primarily a cost-cutting deal. They essentially halve the money owed to Redd from their books at the end of the season with the two expiring deals of Arroyo and Garrity.
In addition they get a SF to plug the hole they have there who is playing almost as well as Redd. Hedo's playmaking ability helps Mo Williams play a little more off the ball, freeing him to score more.
They also get two 1st round picks out of the deal.

[#1knickfan]

The Knicks can offer something along the lines of:

Malik Rose, Jamal Crawford, Fred Jones and Wilson Chandler

for

Michael Redd and Bobby Simmons

I am sure it can be tweeked somewhat.

[Simulack]

The Knicks can offer something along the lines of:

Malik Rose, Jamal Crawford, Fred Jones and Wilson Chandler

for

Michael Redd and Bobby Simmons

I am sure it can be tweeked somewhat.

[1eyedjake]

eww.

I'm not feeling too bad about the Orlando offer looking at some of the others on here...

[Oomph]

The Pacers will take on Redd + CV for JO, a trade that will help both teams.

[BrooklynBulls]

The Pacers will take on Redd + CV for JO, a trade that will help both teams.

Thats a really, really interesting trade imo.

[nate33]

Orlando trades:
Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo
Pat Garrity
Two 1st round picks

Orlando Receives:
Michael Redd

Milwaukee trades:
Michael Redd

Milwaukee receives:
Hedo Turkoglu
Carlos Arroyo
Pat Garrity

Wow, I really like this for both teams. I'm not sure if both 1st rounders are needed. One is probably enough given the cap room this provides.

It's too bad Orlando traded Ariza. He'd fit right into a lineup featuring Howard, Lewis, Redd and Nelson.

[1eyedjake]

I was thinking the same thing after posting the trade nate. Ariza would fit perfectly in that team.

[#1knickfan]

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Redd is a tremendous offensive player but a bad defender and costs a little over 51 million over the next 3 years. Crawford, while clearly not as good a player as Redd but is like him in that he is a very good offensive player but a bad defender. It would be a certain downgrade for the Bucks but Crawford would cost them a mere 28 million over the same amount of time. If your team is going to suck you might as well save money. In this part of the deal alone the Bucks save a little over 23 million. In my deal the Bucks dump Bobby Simmons as well. Bobby Simmons is such a useful player that he's playing a mere 20 minutes a game while costing the Bucks a total nearing 30 million dollars over the life of his contract. A useless turd like that seems destined to one day put on a Knick jersey so I went about making it happen. Considering his contract is a year longer and more expensive annually than Malik Rose's the Bucks would see an additional savings of almost 13 million dollars.

So while the Bucks certainly downgrade at shooting guard but they save $40 million dollars, get a player who can help replace Redd's scoring somewhat and get an additional young player to boot. So could my deal be improved....yes. But is it as bad as you think it is. No but of course you're a prick and its easier to turn off your brain than try to think outside the box a little.

[eagles nut]

If Milwaukee is really looking to dump contracts - this works:

Redd, Maurice Williams to Atlanta

for Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, Anthony Johnson, Zaza Pachulia, Tyronne Lue.

Doubt Atlanta would want that long-term salary commitment though.

[Bernman]

Honestly, what business do Knick, Heat, and Cavs' fans have in a trade proposal involving a player of value? None. Unless you want to make suggestions about what other teams could do. Then don't follow up your garbage trade proposals with rationalizations about why your offers were reasonable. If Redd is such a crappy player, why are you feverishly trying to dream up deals to acquire him? You know, the U.S. national team seemed to think Redd was very important piece to their puzzle. His shooting by the same token makes him an immense asset to some NBA teams. In the Bucks' case, they might be willing to trade him because they have more pressing issues at other positions, which compensation for a player of his value might rectify. However, they are nowhere near desperate to unload him just because their struggling. Trading Maurice Williams is another option, and the more prudent one in my opinion. He makes Michael Redd look like Bruce Bowen on defense. And it's far worse to have a point guard penetrate your defense, than a shooting guard, because he can shoot or pass. The trade isn't mandated to involve your absolute best player.

And enough with your protected picks. Mid first rounders, at best, are not compelling anybody to make a deal. Trading picks for an all star or borderline all star, should be a gamble. Ideally, he's a missing piece, and improves your team enough to where giving up a first rounder wouldn't be any sweat off your back. If you don't think he's a difference maker at all, why are you trading for him?

This whole thread is one crappy deal after another. The only trade I've seen worth discussing was the original Bulls' trade involving Nocioni. And that would be just a jumping off point. I've seen other Bulls' fans with reasonable trade proposals on the Bucks' board as well. That's because a deal between the two teams actually makes sense, unlike some others. The Bulls need offense, while the Bucks need defense. The Bulls have a bunch of players with value who are redundant to their team. Nocioni + J. Smith + Sefolosha + a 1st rounder (unprotected) for Redd, would probably be more of a reasonably type deal.