Who should the Knicks keep?
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Who should the Knicks keep?
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Who should the Knicks keep?
Who would you rather build around if you had to pick either Zach Randolph or Eddy Curry?
I know many of you want neither but you have to understand how hard it is to find a replacement big man (especially since there aren't any in this draft, and the Knicks won't have their pick in 2010).
Both have their ups and their downs and play very inconsistently. That being said who would you prefer the Knicks to keep?
I know many of you want neither but you have to understand how hard it is to find a replacement big man (especially since there aren't any in this draft, and the Knicks won't have their pick in 2010).
Both have their ups and their downs and play very inconsistently. That being said who would you prefer the Knicks to keep?
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curry. he's younger. can dominate the post (zach CAN'T do that). curry's very efficient, randolph's all volume. curry atleast tries to pass, zach doesn't.
we saw today how good curry can be, when all he does is hustle. zach is the worst defensive PF in the world. curry is horrible at D/rebounding/weight, but with proper coaching he may be able to improve. zach randolph will not improve.
we saw today how good curry can be, when all he does is hustle. zach is the worst defensive PF in the world. curry is horrible at D/rebounding/weight, but with proper coaching he may be able to improve. zach randolph will not improve.
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I'd prefer Zach. I'm just tired of a center who doesn't patrol the paint, doesn't rebound, doesn't block shots, and has no desire to get better. Zach is a ball hog, but he has shown adequate passing skills, it's just a matter of getting him to use those skills on a consistent basis. Curry has shown no passing skills of the sort.
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Can't stand either player.
But I suppose if I absolutely had to keep one I'd keep Eddy -- 5s are much harder to replace than 4s. None of us wants to see the days of Felton Spencer and Travis Knight again.
Then I'd try to find a PF who actually complements Eddy -- a rugged defense and rebounding type, with a jumpshot. Charles Oakley of old would have made a perfect fit, as would Kurt Thomas. A player in that mold...
But I suppose if I absolutely had to keep one I'd keep Eddy -- 5s are much harder to replace than 4s. None of us wants to see the days of Felton Spencer and Travis Knight again.
Then I'd try to find a PF who actually complements Eddy -- a rugged defense and rebounding type, with a jumpshot. Charles Oakley of old would have made a perfect fit, as would Kurt Thomas. A player in that mold...
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I say neither as well but if I had to choose I would choose Eddy.
Lee is our starter for the future so we need to figure out who to put next to him. While neither is a great fit Curry is a better fit because if you think Curry guarding centers and patroling the paint is bad wait until it is Zach at center patroling the paint.
Since Lee/Curry is better than Lee/Randolph I think we should get rid of Randolph and not Curry. Also Randolph is unpopular and hurt Portand's team chemistry, Curry for all his faults seems to be liked by his teammates.
Lee is our starter for the future so we need to figure out who to put next to him. While neither is a great fit Curry is a better fit because if you think Curry guarding centers and patroling the paint is bad wait until it is Zach at center patroling the paint.
Since Lee/Curry is better than Lee/Randolph I think we should get rid of Randolph and not Curry. Also Randolph is unpopular and hurt Portand's team chemistry, Curry for all his faults seems to be liked by his teammates.
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I think Zach.....I mean I am tired of having to baby Eddy Curry he has been here for almost 3 years and those 3 years we have seen that he can bring it some nights and some nights he likes to take off..that is frustrating as a fan....at least with Randolph you know that he is going to bring it, every night and plus there is no question mark around his game....Randolph's game is proven and this year he has shown flashes of making some nice passes......Zach is just a lil out of control like Nate Robinson some times but I take that over no effort or bringing out the effort on some nights....
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First off, it all depends on what you can get back for whom.
But all things being equal, I like having Lee on the floor instead of a guy who wants to shoot every time down the floor. As Chitown mentioned last night in the game thread, it's easier to play when you only have three guys wanting to shoot every possession instead of four. And Eddy is actually more dominant at what he does than Randolph is - and Lee is as good a rebounder, and a better defender. If Isiah had managed to package Frye and the #1 for Noah, there is no way in hell that this team has this bad a record.
You win as a team, you lose as individuals. The Knicks have too many players like Randolph who think first of themselves, and only later about their teammates.
But all things being equal, I like having Lee on the floor instead of a guy who wants to shoot every time down the floor. As Chitown mentioned last night in the game thread, it's easier to play when you only have three guys wanting to shoot every possession instead of four. And Eddy is actually more dominant at what he does than Randolph is - and Lee is as good a rebounder, and a better defender. If Isiah had managed to package Frye and the #1 for Noah, there is no way in hell that this team has this bad a record.
You win as a team, you lose as individuals. The Knicks have too many players like Randolph who think first of themselves, and only later about their teammates.
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I dont think the problem is really Zach but the role Isiah defined for him the moment he stepped off the plane. I said in the preseason that Isiah stressing everyday how everything was gonna run through Zach and eddy was a mistake considering that they had yet to play together.
My first question upon Zach arriving wouldve been
"Do you wanna score 20+ pts and lose or average 14 boards and win ?
I wouldve established his role from the start as a compliment to eddy in which we would need defense and rebounding first from him and scoring second .He would still get touches but he could make the all star team on 16 and 13 if the knicks are a winning team .
The knicks shouldve been adding Randolph into the mix not re-working the entire recipe .That involves him being given a role that would work best for the returning unit to succeed .Isiah botched it pretty bad
My first question upon Zach arriving wouldve been
"Do you wanna score 20+ pts and lose or average 14 boards and win ?
I wouldve established his role from the start as a compliment to eddy in which we would need defense and rebounding first from him and scoring second .He would still get touches but he could make the all star team on 16 and 13 if the knicks are a winning team .
The knicks shouldve been adding Randolph into the mix not re-working the entire recipe .That involves him being given a role that would work best for the returning unit to succeed .Isiah botched it pretty bad
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chitownsports4ever wrote:I dont think the problem is really Zach but the role Isiah defined for him the moment he stepped off the plane. I said in the preseason that Isiah stressing everyday how everything was gonna run through Zach and eddy was a mistake considering that they had yet to play together.
My first question upon Zach arriving wouldve been
"Do you wanna score 20+ pts and lose or average 14 boards and win ?
I wouldve established his role from the start as a compliment to eddy in which we would need defense and rebounding first from him and scoring second .He would still get touches but he could make the all star team on 16 and 13 if the knicks are a winning team .
The knicks shouldve been adding Randolph into the mix not re-working the entire recipe .That involves him being given a role that would work best for the returning unit to succeed .Isiah botched it pretty bad
You hit it right on the nail but its not just with Zach that he did this. He gave Marbury a new role from last year. He had his eight man rotation, now he plays everyone and noone knows when they are coming in.
Basically he is Larry Brown part II except that he is supposedly trying to win.
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I'll go with the Big Mac Daddy Eddy Curry for much of the same reasons that has already been said.
I would be looking to move Randolph to the Lakers for Kwame "Small Hands" Brown and the Lakers 2008 1st round pick.
I would be looking to move Randolph to the Lakers for Kwame "Small Hands" Brown and the Lakers 2008 1st round pick.
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Take a look at it this way (and this is going on what Curry said about last nights team being the team from last season)
Before all the injuries hit the Knicks team from last season did have the look of a .500-ish team. Same players, same coach, same town, same expectations.
So what has changed from a team standpoint?
Before all the injuries hit the Knicks team from last season did have the look of a .500-ish team. Same players, same coach, same town, same expectations.
So what has changed from a team standpoint?
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