Genius plan to get Shaq in Mavs uniform

[HMFFL]

Let me preface this whole thing by saying that I am in no way, shape or form reporting that discussions of this deal are taking place between the Mavs and the Heat. The following proposal is sports talk radio blabbing from the big mouth of Skin, a rising star at The Ticket (who only has me on the air when I write nice things about him).

Having said that, the Heat and Mavs absolutely should be talking about a trade that would bring Shaq to Dallas and give Miami a head start on a major rebuilding project.

Follow the jump for details.

Here's the proposal: Keith Van Horn and Gana Diop for Shaq.

We've mentioned that the Mavs still have Van Horn's rights, which is a major bargaining chip in the trade market. Why? Because the Mavs can sign him to a big deal that won't be guaranteed after this season, making the salaries work in a trade and giving the other team an expiring contract/salary cap flexibility.

Why would Miami pull the trigger on this trade? Because the Heat is absolutely horrible, and Pat Riley has a salary-cap mess on his hands with Shaq on the books for $20 million for two more seasons. All of a sudden, the Heat would be able to max out a free agent star (Elton Brand?) to put next to Dwyane Wade and whichever stud they take in the lottery.

Shaq is no longer the most dominant force in the NBA, and he never will be again. He's gone from one of the greatest ever to one of the top five active big men.

But Shaq could be the piece that separates the Mavs from the rest of the West contenders this season. It's well worth trying to find out if you don't have to give up anybody in your rotation, which Diop has fallen out of lately.

Why wouldn't the Mavs do this? Well, Mark Cuban might not be too keen on the idea of paying an aging Shaq $40 million (and matching that in luxury tax) over the next two seasons.

Well, let me point out that Michael Finley ($18.6 million) and Shawn Bradley ($5.2 million) are off the books after this season. Plus, imagine how much money Cuban and Shaq could make when they combine their marketing genius.

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Tim MacMahon stole this idea from some of the "genius" Mavs fans here at Realgm.

[f l u r p]

I've been hearing similar speculation for awhile also. I'd be totally on board for all the obvious reason.

One thing also mentioned is that there is no one with more than around 12 million available next year. Miami would be the only team in the league to have the ability to sign *any* free agent.

[Captain_Obvious]

And KVH gets 18 mill $ for literally nothing. They prob would buy him out instantly.

Where amazing happens.....

[JES12]

Assuming we don't do anything with Juwan Howard, Jose Juan Barea, Deveon George, ReyShawn Terry, Renaldas Seibutis adn our MLE next year, we would:
1) Have an 11 man roster (2 less than league min)
2) Always have one 32+ center on the injured list
3) Have to have Fazekas because Dampier & Shaq are too injury proned
4) Have a team payroll of 94.4 mil
5) Have a Lux tax of 26.5 mil
6) Totalling 120.9 mil out of Cuban's pocket.

This year, assuming half of Shaq's & Diop salary irf traded near game 41, our salary this year would be 103.9 mil, 12.25 lux tax (Finley & Bradley counts toward's team payroll, but not lux tax...Mbenga does both).

So, with half Shaq's salary this year plus the lux tax, we would have to pay Shaq $20 mil for 41 games (IF he plays all of them, which I doubt)from a 36yo. Next year, 40 mil from whatever amount of games we could get out of the 37yo. The following 40 mil for whatever we could get from a 38yo.

$100 mil for what will be near 150 games starting at 24 min and going down from there (obviously my best guess).

That's just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Any trade for Shaq starts with Dampier leaving.

[JES12]

And KVH gets 18 mill $ for literally nothing. They prob would buy him out instantly.

Where amazing happens.....

Actually, if that trade was true, Dallas only has to send out 16 mil. That is only 13.68 (16-Diop) and they he only gets paid pro-rated for the rest of the season, so he gets 6-7 mil.

[Captain_Obvious]

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Actually, if that trade was true, Dallas only has to send out 16 mil. That is only 13.68 (16-Diop) and they he only gets paid pro-rated for the rest of the season, so he gets 6-7 mil.

Ahh, thx

Thats still alot though

And i cant help it, it feels like some kind of cheating

[JES12]

^^^
Maybe, but this team can with a Championship without Shaq and is not guaranteed one with Shaq. Hell, we aren't even guaranteed he will be healthy come playoff time.

[catalyst]

KVH would only be 1 yr with yrs 2 and 3 non guaranteed, which is a big help to Miami and their failing team

[Captain_Obvious]

On the other side:
Boston gutted their whole team for 2 good years, we just burn cubans money

[FGump]

Note: The Mavs would be taxed the full amount of Shaq's contract, not just the part they pay this season.

But it's Cuban's money not mine, so I say yes.

[HMFFL]

Note: The Mavs would be taxed the full amount of Shaq's contract, not just the part they pay this season.

But it's Cuban's money not mine, so I say yes.

Right. We are already being taxed, so I don't see it mattering that much, unless Mark decides to buy another sports franchise within the next year or two. I would assume Mark would be happy with the revenue he would receive by adding Shaq.

It's definitely a investment Mark Cuban would need to look over a couple times and make sure he's prepared to take it on. You never know, he may just nod his head, laugh, and accept all the tax that comes along with the big man.

[JES12]

Note: The Mavs would be taxed the full amount of Shaq's contract, not just the part they pay this season.

That would be even worse...but where do you get that info from? You are taxed your cap payroll - amnesty player - 67,865,000 and Shaq would only count $20 mil x (82 - Heat games already played).

Where do you get the fact that we are taxed payroll that occurs on other teams? Not that I don't believe you, but that completely sounds wrong and I never read such an argument.

[DDansby123]

Ultimately, we have no idea how Cuban will view paying the luxury tax, so all we can do is make trade suggestions that improve the team and don't horribly affect our cap (the cap's shot until after 2010/11 anyway). The luxury tax is definitely important, but I don't think there's any way we can account for it on the boards. I mean, obviously Cuban would pay the luxury tax if it meant, say, trading KVH straight-up for Kobe, but he obviously wouldn't do such a deal if we had, say, Marbury. In between, I really have no idea what he'd do.

Personally, I think any KVH trade is going to mean a bigger lux tax payment for Cuban. Some team might take an overpaid-but-talented player like Jason Terry in the deal, but I don't think we can add a salary dump like Dampier to the deal. Now that I say that, KVH probably gives us the best opportunity we'll have (for several years, anyway) to trade Jason Terry and/or acquire better talent in general.

[dirkforpres]

This trade would be great, but im sure Miami would get a better ooffer if they did put Shaq on the market, which I dont see that happening either.

[FGump]

-Right. We are already being taxed, so I don't see it mattering that much, unless Mark decides to buy another sports franchise within the next year or two. I would assume Mark would be happy with the revenue he would receive by adding Shaq.

It's definitely a investment Mark Cuban would need to look over a couple times and make sure he's prepared to take it on. You never know, he may just nod his head, laugh, and accept all the tax that comes along with the big man.

Well it depends on how you define "not mattering that much."

Shaq is owed 60M (including this season). 10M of this season's payroll has been paid by Miami, meaning the amount of payroll added (once you also subtract the 1M you'd pay Diop the rest of this year) would be 49M. You also probably would have paid Diop about 10M over the next 2 years, so the net payroll increase is 39M.

Then add the tax increase. Since they are already taxpayers, this season it would be a bump of 18M (Shaq's contract minus Diop's). Since they would already be taxpayers with Diop at 5M each year, replacing him with Shaq's 20M adds an extra 30M in tax for those 2 years.

39 + 18 + 30 = $87 million

With that equation, there are some things to note:
1. Title chances may be increased, but a title still is not guaranteed
2. If you have 3 years of Shaq, you PROBABLY have a better shot at a title than 3 years of Diop, but Shaq has definitely slowed and become less effective.
3. Given the fact the Mavs already sell out every game, one title (which is not guaranteed) cannot make you an extra 87M in net income. Not even close.
4. Even someone as wealthy as Cuban could choke if asked to toss 87M on the table for a CHANCE at a title. And I couldn't blame him if he had that offer and said no due to the cost.

[FGump]

QUOTE:FGump
Note: The Mavs would be taxed the full amount of Shaq's contract, not just the part they pay this season.


That would be even worse...but where do you get that info from? You are taxed your cap payroll - amnesty player - 67,865,000 and Shaq would only count $20 mil x (82 - Heat games already played).

Where do you get the fact that we are taxed payroll that occurs on other teams? Not that I don't believe you, but that completely sounds wrong and I never read such an argument.

The NBA's CBA is where that comes from.

A good explanation of "how is the tax calculated" is here:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#16

[Darren]

Does Shaq still gets the Superstar treatment from the ref?
If so, it's quite interesting scenario if we can cut a little salary as well.

Shaq + Davis + Qunin for KVH + JET + Diop + Ager works for me.


C - Shaq - Damp / Juwan
PF - Dirk - Bass / Fazekas
SF - Davis - DG / Trenton
SG - JoHo - EJ / Stack
PG - Devin - Qunin / JJB
(Stack can have some minutes at PG.)

[dirkforpres]

^Thats a horrible trade... Replace Stack with Jet... Nevermind, Ricky sucks... Shaq is old, but ill do a Diop+KVH trade for him any day of the week.

[Deus]

Shaq isn't Shaq anymore. Think about that. The Mavs wouldn't be getting his dominating presense in the middle. Thay'd be getting his fat ass falling down like he did a month ago.

If I were the Mavs I'd go and ask the Heat if they want to simply release Shaq from his contract for a straight up KVH trade.

Where would the Mavs be in 2 years when Shaq is gone and all they have on their roster is an aging Dampier and no Diop.

[jwa1107]

MIA will never swallow a 60M contract
no way they release Shaq