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[Pats19andO]

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Dallas Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +1.9 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and -0.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Kenyon Martin
6-9 PF from Cincinnati
9.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 25.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
2.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.3 minutes
Denver Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.9 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and +3.0 apg.
Incoming Players
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
4.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.5 minutes
Jason Williams
6-1 PG from Florida
8.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.4 apg in 31.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
J.R. Smith
6-6 SG from St. Benedict's Prep (HS)
10.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 19.0 minutes
Kenyon Martin
6-9 PF from Cincinnati
9.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 25.4 minutes
Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +5.0 ppg, +5.1 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
Incoming Players
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
2.3 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.7 minutes
Erick Dampier
6-11 C from Mississippi State
5.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.3 minutes
J.R. Smith
6-6 SG from St. Benedict's Prep (HS)
10.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 19.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
4.0 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.4 apg in 12.5 minutes
Jason Williams
6-1 PG from Florida
8.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.4 apg in 31.8 minutes

any thoughts. add 1st rounder to dallas from denver

[Flash is the Future]

Denver passes. KMart's been good for them. Dallas needs a C, not a PF, so they pass. Miami gets a good talent return, but Dampiers extra year almost kills it. But I've heard that that last year isn't guaranteed? If it isn't then this makes more sense for us but overall I still don't love it. And Shaq with Erika? Yeah right.

[Pats19andO]

no opinions?

[yunggunz]

Denver has to do it. They save a boat load of money and get a couple serviceable players in return.

[Flash is the Future]

They get stuck with Blount, so they're not saving that much...

[yunggunz]

They get stuck with Blount, so they're not saving that much...

They still save a ton. Blount is owed well less than half of what Kmart is owed, and when you take into account the lux tax savings from next year, its a pretty substantial savings.

[JES12]

Denver passes. KMart's been good for them. Dallas needs a C, not a PF, so they pass. Miami gets a good talent return, but Dampiers extra year almost kills it. But I've heard that that last year isn't guaranteed? If it isn't then this makes more sense for us but overall I still don't love it. And Shaq with Erika? Yeah right.

Pretty much hit it on every aspect from every team. Dampier and Shaq is too much salary at 1 position for any team. Dallas would prefer our center over Martin (even if Martin has been playing well so far).

[Hoops23]

The difference in Blount and Dampier is not big as the difference in contract. No way we trade J-Will for Hassell.

Heat passed easily.

[dirkforpres]

The trade would probably be better for Dallas, but Dampier has been good this season and with K-Marts injuries over the past few years, im sure Dallas would say no, even though im a big Martin fan.

[hermes]

i don't think dallas does the trade

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

I would say run it all day. We get another small forward who can defend the bigger small(which would allow us to play Ricky at the 2), a backup center, another scorer who can hopefully get to the rim(I'm not sure after thinking the same about Ricky Davis) and can replace Ricky if we don't want to resign him. Run it.

[DBurks2818]

Smith is redundant with Cook already on the roster. Not to mention the other problems with this trade already mentioned.

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

Cook is nowhere near the scorer or shooter that JR Smith is though. JR Smith is an upgrade in my opinion.

[catalyst]

So mavs, basically make Martin a Center? I think not. I guess mavs could do it and re-sign mbenga? No way

Dampier has been playing well once he got over his too late surgery. I dont see avery wanting to lose him now.

[DBurks2818]

Cook is nowhere near the scorer or shooter that JR Smith is though. JR Smith is an upgrade in my opinion.

Cook is already the shooter that Smith is. He'll be at *least* as good a scorer if he continues improving his ballhandling.

Just look at their stats:

Cook
GMs: 26
MPG: 21.3
FG%: 43.3%
3PT%: 36.4%
PPG: 9.5
RPG: 2.70
APG: 0.9
SPG: 0.3
TOPG: 0.81
Efficiency: 8.04

Smith
GMs: 26
MPG: 18.5
FG%: 42.3%
3PT%: 39.1%
PPG: 10.1
RPG: 2.00
APG: 1.8
SPG: 0.9
TOPG: 1.81
Efficiency: 8.27

Where is this big gap between them that you're talking about? I fail to see it. And Cook is 2 years younger and a rookie who's been lighting guys up like D Gibson when he gets consistent minutes. He was a great pick.

If you do this trade you realize that you have to pay Smith this summer, whereas you've still got Cook on his rookie contract for a couple more years right now.

Like I said, Smith would be a redundant player, despite the potential that he may or may not reach. Cook's already shown the willingness to work hard; He's got Ray Allen-like potential if he does.

[Big Dee Chi-Born]

There's not a big difference in overall field goal shooting, but then again he doesn't have the advantage of getting the same kick outs that Cook gets off of Shaq and Wade double teams. And I just believe that Smith is the better talent. Especially right now! JR can snap for 30 any given night, Cook was coming off the bench last year in college. JMO

[JD45]

BTW, Dampier's last year is not guaranteed unless he starts making the All-star game.

But even though I like K-Mart, I think at this stage Damp fits better in Dallas.

[DBurks2818]

There's not a big difference in overall field goal shooting, but then again he doesn't have the advantage of getting the same kick outs that Cook gets off of Shaq and Wade double teams. And I just believe that Smith is the better talent. Especially right now! JR can snap for 30 any given night, Cook was coming off the bench last year in college. JMO

He plays off of kickouts from Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. If anything he's probably had more open space than Cook.

And then there's the fact that Denver plays a far more uptempo offense than the Heat, resulting in what should be even more open looks and shots for JR. This doesn't make sense.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

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He plays off of kickouts from Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. If anything he's probably had more open space than Cook.

And then there's the fact that Denver plays a far more uptempo offense than the Heat, resulting in what should be even more open looks and shots for JR. This doesn't make sense.

Don't watch many Nuggets games, do ya? They do play uptempo, but GK believes the offense should be as complex as a pickup games. The ball movement is awful and movement without the ball is almost nil. So getting lots of open looks doesn't always happen.

I don't see many Heat games, but I have to believe Pat actually puts some effort into coaching offense.

[DBurks2818]

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Don't watch many Nuggets games, do ya? They do play uptempo, but GK believes the offense should be as complex as a pickup games. The ball movement is awful and movement without the ball is almost nil. So getting lots of open looks doesn't always happen.

I don't see many Heat games, but I have to believe Pat actually puts some effort into coaching offense.

Admittedly I don't. Is it really that bad?

As for the Heat, the offense consists of D-Wade and Ricky Davis and a bunch of scrambling. It's generally a mess.