How would a Tyrus Thomas trade affect YOU?

[theawakening]

I understand that this forum has its fair share of proponents and detractors of Tyrus Thomas. It seems as though national and Chicago media loves to bandy Tyrus' name around in all trade proposals, for they posit that he can provide high yield in a trade. Thinking about Tyrus Thomas leaving the Bulls bothers me, no matter how objective I say I am as a Bulls fan. I find his time on the floor riveting and live and die with his every jump shot attempt.

How would you folks feel about watching the Bulls if Tyrus Thomas was traded? The Bulls for me are WHERE TYRUS THOMAS HAPPENS. It's pathetic how I have lost by objectivity since draft day 2006.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

All depends who the trade gets us.

If we get Lebron James, then I'll shed a tear for Tyrus - before I weep tears of joy for Lebron.


If it gets us Andre Miller, I'll slap John around his office.

[jax98]

All depends who the trade gets us.

If we get Lebron James, then I'll shed a tear for Tyrus - before I wepp tears of joy for Lebron.


If it gets us Andre Miller, I'll slap John around his office.

Add me to MG's comments.

[Red Larrivee]

I'd prefer to package him for a post playing PF. So if that happens, it improves the team, and I'm happy with what's here still. If we traded him for 2nd rounders or meaningless players, I'd be upset.

[anorexorcism]

Since it's already a given he's the only one on the team who has any chance of developing into a legitimate franchise player, it will give me great happiness for him that he will finally be sent to an organization that will appreciate and properly harness his talents (kind of like Tyson who continues to tear it up, dropping 19/11 on the Suns last night).

As a Bulls fan, it will make me furious because it confirms the penny pinching ways of this organization and their constant preference to sell the team to the fans by means of name recognition, even if name recognition means brining in washed up players whose talents are beyond their prime (Jalen Rose, Ben Wallace, and probably Jason Kidd soon).

As a Bulls fan, it will make me furious because they didn't give him an opportunity when he deserved it.

And as a Bulls fan, it will affect me when posters will wish Tyrus was still here after seeing him blow up elsewhere, and his current detractors will then use the pathetic response/excuse that "Oh well that's the past" or "move on, we have to live with what we have" or "Oh he wouldn't ever have fit in our system anyway."

The only way I wouldn't be affected in a bad way is if he's involved in a trade to get a legitimate superstar--Kobe, LeBron, Dwight Howard, Duncan, Nash. The list pretty much ends there.

But since we won't bother to play him anyway don't be surprised to see a Jason Collins for Tyrus deal come soon, or something along those lines.

[whonka]

i would kill myself

[jeremy1215]

Gosh after my first time actually seeing Tyrus play meaningful minutes, I'd be pretty mad. I have never seen such explosiveness.

[Red Larrivee]

Since it's already a given he's the only one on the team who has any chance of developing into a legitimate franchise player, it will give me great happiness for him that he will finally be sent to an organization that will appreciate and properly harness his talents (kind of like Tyson who continues to tear it up, dropping 19/11 on the Suns last night).

It's a given? If Tyrus had any chance of being a franchise player, you would be implying that he's going to better than LaMarcus Aldridge, and will have a better skill set than LaMarcus Aldridge. Which won't be the case. Both can be fine players, but Tyrus will not be better. He has 0 chance of being any type of legitimate franchise player. If that was the case he would have been much more touted in college, which he was not.

Chandler is is being catered to by a true franchise player in Chris Paul. Put Tyson on this team right now, his stats and play would not be what it is there in New Orleans. Tyrus can be near the same player Chandler is, and I still stand by a 10 and 10, maybe 12 and 12 guy. That's it. Which isn't anywhere close to "a legitimate franchise player." And you won't see that double-double happen until we get a better playmaking point guard.

[Shill]

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It's a given? If Tyrus had any chance of being a franchise player, you would be implying that he's going to better than LaMarcus Aldridge, and will have a better skill set than LaMarcus Aldridge. Which won't be the case. Both can be fine players, but Tyrus will not be better. He has 0 chance of being any type of legitimate franchise player. If that was the case he would have been much more touted in college, which he was not.

Chandler is is being catered to by a true franchise player in Chris Paul. Put Tyson on this team right now, his stats and play would not be what it is there in New Orleans. Tyrus can be near the same player Chandler is, and I still stand by a 10 and 10, maybe 12 and 12 guy. That's it. Which isn't anywhere close to "a legitimate franchise player." And you won't see that double-double happen until we get a better playmaking point guard.

Based on the small sample size we've seen, you have no idea how Tyrus will develop, so it's pretty silly to talk in such absolutes.

Experience and a reliable jumpshot will do wonders for him.

[theawakening]

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It's a given? If Tyrus had any chance of being a franchise player, you would be implying that he's going to better than LaMarcus Aldridge, and will have a better skill set than LaMarcus Aldridge. Which won't be the case. Both can be fine players, but Tyrus will not be better. He has 0 chance of being any type of legitimate franchise player. If that was the case he would have been much more touted in college, which he was not.

Chandler is is being catered to by a true franchise player in Chris Paul. Put Tyson on this team right now, his stats and play would not be what it is there in New Orleans. Tyrus can be near the same player Chandler is, and I still stand by a 10 and 10, maybe 12 and 12 guy. That's it. Which isn't anywhere close to "a legitimate franchise player." And you won't see that double-double happen until we get a better playmaking point guard.

What is Aldridge's skill set? A jump shot? A body that doesn't allow him to post up, rebound effectively, or block shots?

[Shill]

All depends who the trade gets us.

If we get Lebron James, then I'll shed a tear for Tyrus - before I weep tears of joy for Lebron.


If it gets us Andre Miller, I'll slap John around his office.

You and me...we is eye-to-eye.

[Red Larrivee]

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Based on the small sample size we've seen, you have no idea how Tyrus will develop, so it's pretty silly to talk in such absolutes.

Experience and a reliable jumpshot will do wonders for him.

Tyrus is best suited playing near the rim. If he gets a jumpshot fine. Shoot it when you have to. But if Tyrus wants to be effective he's going to have to play inside and near the basket. Not shooting jumpers. Play to his strengths, and get someone who will cover his weaknesses.

[nomorezorro]

-there's no need to belittle aldridge to raise up tyrus. aldridge is a very good player, he's putting up 18/8 in his second year

-saying that there's no way tyrus thomas will be better than lamarcus aldridge is absolutely ridiculous. tyrus thomas was drafted as a project player and has put up respectable numbers when he's gotten time to produce. they're both in their second years and developing, you can't put a cap on either of them so soon

-saying tyrus thomas will top out at 10/10 is also ridiculous. given aldridge's minutes at his current rate of production, he'd be putting up nearly 13/10. in his second year. with stuff like 4 minute 0 point games dragging his averages down

i don't think tyrus thomas will turn out to be a "franchise player", but i don't think it's unreasonable to think that he can one day be around, maybe even above, the level of hinrich/gordon/deng. if noah can be that good too, i think a starting 5 of people at that above average, pehaps boarderline all-star level is good enough to compete without an superstar.

[bullzman23]

I'd slit my wrists.

[robg]

TT will amount to a high energy guy (blks & rbds) and w/ practice a mid-range shooter and no more! There are very few true low post scorers and TT shows absolutely no hint that he wants to be one. Plus he is only 6'9 & somewhat thin.
Look im tired of drafting people w/ no true size for their supposed positions. It is extremely rare that someone who is not an ideal size for their position actually excels into NBA stardom.
BTW for some odd reason TT seems to be ending up on the floor alot: he is slipping, jumping and falling down. I always remember BG always slipping & sliding at least a couple of times a game but he doesn't do anymore-as much.
BTW this is why i wouldn't draft Beasley he is nothing more than a zach randolph. Not a true power game & too slow!

[dougthonus]

I have to agree with those who think there is zero chance Tyrus becomes a franchise player. If you disagree then I think you are throwing around 'franchise player' a little loosely. There are maybe 10 franchise players in the NBA, and the only one who wasn't obviously a franchise player by this age was Steve Nash.

Could Tyrus develop into an all-star player? Yes. Definitely. I'm not sure that's even likely, but that could definitely happen.

How would I feel if Tyrus is traded? Most likely bad. I don't see him bringing back good value for us in trade. We would need to get a proven good player back for him (not average, but above average) who still is in his prime and has plenty of prime left to make the deal make any sense for us. The other thought would be is if he was in a package for a player who was far above average.

If you could do Tyrus + Nocioni + 1st rounder for Gasol then that would be a great trade for the Bulls because the pieces that are left long term:
Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gasol, Wallace is a great starting lineup with a bench of Duhon, Thabo, Noah, Smith, and Gray, and you have a nice 9 man rotation where no ones minutes are crunched and everyone fits together pretty nicely.

However, I don't see Memphis taking that deal for Gasol, and I don't see many other realistic targets that would give us the same type of completeness that we need.

[Badboy]

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It's a given? If Tyrus had any chance of being a franchise player, you would be implying that he's going to better than LaMarcus Aldridge, and will have a better skill set than LaMarcus Aldridge. Which won't be the case. Both can be fine players, but Tyrus will not be better. He has 0 chance of being any type of legitimate franchise player. If that was the case he would have been much more touted in college, which he was not.

I expect better from you red. I will name only one player and it's only because they are the most recent. I can name many more.

Dwayne Wade

I agree Tyrus won't be a franchise player and it's because he doesn't have the head for it. Nothing to do with his physical abilities. It's just your line of reasoning there is horrible.

[DmoneyH3]

I said this after the draft, but Tyrus Thomas is Travis Outlaw minus the jump shot. Travis took nearly 4.5 years to develop, but he did. We weren't very good, so there wasn't any pressure to play vets in order to win now, which helped Travis in the long run. Also, last April, Roy and MA were out and Outlaw was our main offensive weapon and he really blossomed. Young kids like these need minutes..( see Jermaine O'Neal in Portland, then in Indiana) If you trade him for an overrated vet, you will regret it. He just needs the playing time, and with the Bulls being average at best in the East, and Joe Smith as the PF...I am really at a loss why he doesn't play more at all.

[DuckIII]

Like Magilla said, its all about the return. Odds are, I'd be very angry if Thomas were traded.

To my mind, he and Deng are the only players on the team that even approach "untouchable" status.

[Red Larrivee]

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I expect better from you red. I will name only one player and it's only because they are the most recent. I can name many more.

Dwayne Wade

I agree Tyrus won't be a franchise player and it's because he doesn't have the head for it. Nothing to do with his physical abilities. It's just your line of reasoning there is horrible.

Are you really going to compare Dwayne Wade to Tyrus Thomas? Really are you?

Dwayne Wade had a great high school and college career, and the only reason he really wasn't recruited so much was because people believed that he was going to get held back by his school-work, because he was having problems with that. He was on the All-American Team, he led Marquette in scoring both years he was there, led them to the final four, and gave them their schools best record since around 93. Wade was great, and was touted for a while in college. But nobody thought he was Lebron, or Darko (lol).

Tyrus Thomas had an average college season, and he had a great run in the tournament. That's it. If it wasn't for that tourney run, Tyrus Thomas wouldn't even be on this team right now. He wasn't touted, he wasn't pre-season ranked, he wasn't hyped up. Nothing. He was not that great of a player at all. But since NBA-Draft Stock raises because of tournament play, he got up in the top 5. He wasn't even on the draft-radar when the season started.

He can be a fine player, but don't compare Tyrus's college career to Wade's, especially when Wade had a great skill set, and still does, while Tyrus was just an athlete, with 0 type of an NBA game.