what's a superstar?

Post #21 » by **Harry Palmer** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:59 pm

bakafool wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yo Harry, can you think of anyone else, maybe from the old old school 50s to 70s? I can't think of anyone else right now, but I suspect there are some others.

Kareem at times in his career. Yao currently, mostly due to the fact that he's money at the line. Sikma too, I'd assume, for the same reason, though he didn;t draw the same defensive attention. Not many, though, although to be fair, that has less to do with the players themselves, more due to the confluence of events in the clutch, ie people are allowed to hit more and bigs are easy targets whose position is known in advance.

Post #22 » by **Harry Palmer** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:00 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:A superstar IMO is someone who can effect the game on both offence and defence. He has the ability to take over a basketball game, and also is a guy who makes players around him better.

ie, Hakeem.

bakafool · Post #23 » by **bakafool** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:01 am

My all time superstar and clutch lineup:

PG: Magic
SG: MJ
SF: Bird
PF: Bob Petit
C: Hakeem

thegame10 · Post #24 » by **thegame10** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:02 am

when it comes down to it you can't balme bosh for anything. he produces and is keep us around the 500 mark. What more can you expect from a guy who has no one to play with. Look at all the top team. You look at the top 8 teams in the east and west there 2nd opt is better than our secound opt by far. Who's out 2nd opt now that ford is out parker? If you look down the list the wrost 2nd opt aside from us is either lamacus or motnta ellis or maybe peja. All of these guys we would love in to and would probably be our 2nd best player.

Post #25 » by **Harry Palmer** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:05 am

bakafool wrote:My all time superstar and clutch lineup:

PG: Magic
SG: MJ
SF: Bird
PF: Bob Petit
C: Hakeem

Nice, but it's hard to see a clutch list without West.

As much as I hate him, Bird is the most clutch player I've seen. He is to basketball what Montana was to football. Just saw things in slow motion when it sped up for everyone else.

bakafool · Post #26 » by **bakafool** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:06 am

Harry Palmer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nice, but it's hard to see a clutch list without West.

Ah, good one. Definitely someone who should be in there.

Damn I'd be scared shtless at that team if I was an opposing fan.

thegame10 · Post #27 » by **thegame10** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:09 am

bakafool wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ah, good one. Definitely someone who should be in there.

Damn I'd be scared shtless at that team if I was an opposing fan.

what about wilt

bakafool · Post #28 » by **bakafool** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:10 am

thegame10 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

what about wilt

Nope. Wilt was great, but I think most would agree that he wasn't that clutch.

Post #29 » by **Harry Palmer** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:10 am

thegame10 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

what about wilt

No, Wilt was somewhat like Shaq in that regard.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #30 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:12 am

Superstars are generally acquired through drafts. Teams don't give away bonafide superstars unless they are getting one back.

thegame10 · Post #31 » by **thegame10** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:18 am

bakafool wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nope. Wilt was great, but I think most would agree that he wasn't that clutch.

ya but how can you have hakeem on this list without wilt... its unfair since no one has really seen him play but to average the numbers he did u can assume he was clutch because which 25 ppg,20 rpg would anit have control of the game and dominate at the end.

bakafool · Post #32 » by **bakafool** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:22 am

thegame10 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

ya but how can you have hakeem on this list without wilt... its unfair since no one has really seen him play but to average the numbers he did u can assume he was clutch because which 25 ppg,20 rpg would anit have control of the game and dominate at the end.

I'd actually rather have Russell, because he could dominate a game with his defense ... and he was no slouch on offense eaither. I think one of the biggest knocks on Wilt was that while he was a great scorer, he wasn't necessarily much of a winner. I picked Hakeem because he is the most skilled center of all time IMO, and was equally a defensive beast who won titles with not the mot talented of teams. Russell and Wilt on the other hand, had so many great players as teammates. Oh, and my list is just the starting five.

Local_NG_Idiot · Post #33 » by **Local_NG_Idiot** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:33 am

Moses Malone in Philli didn't have the pollished offensive game that Hakeem possesed, but if his team needed a bucket, he'd find a way, even if it took him 6 tries during the same possesion.

bakafool · Post #34 » by **bakafool** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:34 am

Local_NG_Idiot wrote:Moses Malone in Philli didn't have the pollished offensive game that Hakeem possesed, but if his team needed a bucket, he'd find a way, even if it took him 6 tries during the same possesion.

He was just padding his rebounding stats.

j/k

Mr. Perfect · Post #35 » by **Mr. Perfect** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:54 am

If you are what you say you are
A super star
Then have no fear the camera's here and the microphone and they wanna know
Oh oh oh oh

MjM2xTreMe · Post #36 » by **MjM2xTreMe** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:58 am

C Court · Post #37 » by **C Court** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:12 am

Don't know how anyone can comment on Wilt Chamberlain's abilities without having seen him play live. He was one of the NBA's most dominant players.

I watched him in his later years with the Lakers and even then he was unstoppable. Wilt retired with a career average of 30 ppg/ 23 rpg/ .540 FG%.

In his third season he averaged 50 ppg and 25 rpg.

I have a feeling he may have been good in the clutch, too.

When a basket was needed, Wilt would muscle in close, use his left forearm as a shield, spin towards the middle, elevate above the opposing player and effortlessly flip the ball into the hoop.

MacDaddy · Post #38 » by **MacDaddy** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:59 am

Wilt was by far the most dominant player to set foot on the court. He didn't have the same finesse as Hakeem, but he was physically so far beyond everyone on the court it was ridiculous.

He played on some bad teams in his career, with guards that wouldn't pass him the ball and at certain points in his career he was distracted by the lifestyle, but I doubt there's ever been anyone more capable of dominating basketball games all by himself.

seanied · Post #39 » by **seanied** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:24 am

Centre Court wrote:Don't know how anyone can comment on Wilt Chamberlain's abilities without having seen him play live. He was one of the NBA's most dominant players.

I watched him in his later years with the Lakers and even then he was unstoppable. Wilt retired with a career average of 30 ppg/ 23 rpg/ .540 FG%.

In his third season he averaged 50 ppg and 25 rpg.

I have a feeling he may have been good in the clutch, too.

When a basket was needed, Wilt would muscle in close, use his left forearm as a shield, spin towards the middle, elevate above the opposing player and effortlessly flip the ball into the hoop.

He was unstoppable except when he went against Bill Russell, who in the games that mattered owned Wilt on almost every occasion. I read a great article by Frank Deford once about their rivalry, and he was in no doubt that as good as Wilt was, he felt inferior to Bill Russell.

C Court · Post #40 » by **C Court** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:19 am

seanied wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He was unstoppable except when he went against Bill Russell, who in the games that mattered owned Wilt on almost every occasion. I read a great article by Frank Deford once about their rivalry, and he was in no doubt that as good as Wilt was, he felt inferior to Bill Russell.

That was true, to a degree. They were great battles of which I only watched on tape. But from what I understand, it was also a result of the overall dominance of the Celtics.

Put it this way, if Wilt was the center of the Celtics, he'd have more rings than the two I believe he won.