Bucks-Bobcats Postgame Thread 1/6/2007

[kebzach]

Bogut played well, Bell played well. It's just one game. But why do Bogut's hook shots not go in on a regular day but on days like this he can't miss? It makes no sense.

Bogut gets ahead of himself sometimes, and when he does that he almost seems to shoot before his body is fully turned around. Tonight he still did that, still shot in a hurry, but the shots were going down.

[aboveAverage]

From what I saw, we didn't play very good. We're still a bad team, and it's unfortunate that this win will probably make the management think we don't need a trade. I kind of wish we would have lost.

[schweig]

It was scary for a second on that last shot. Bogut was in the no-charge zone and decided anyway to step out with that touch shot instead of racking those guys up. Must have known he was in the zone.

[darbstar]

I think Redd really needs to be traded for a good team player! The bucks are much better when they play as a team and share it rather then watching redd put up his 20plus shots per game no matter what!

what about redd and Cv for andre miller and one or two of their youngsters like carney

miller
mo
carney
yi
bogut

[Bballer2306]

Regarding Bogut: it's one game. He played great tonight. It's a one game sample. Lets see him do it more often and then the constant praise will come.

Bell/Simmons, like I mentioned in the other thread, when we actually get what we EXPECTED to get from these guys, we are usually at least in the game with a chance to win it. When those two suck we rely so much on Mo/Redd/Bogut to score.

Reason I like this win, it is only one win granted, is that we came back and took it. Shows the team hasn't given up, and I think the effort overall in this game also backs that up.

What the hell do you mean its one game? Bogut had 10 points 7 rebounds 4 assists last game??? He plays well every game nearly.... Then in a game before that he had 13 points 12 rebounds.....yet you say its only one game.....

Seriously some of you here are absolute turkey's.

[kebzach]

I think Redd really needs to be traded for a good team player! The bucks are much better when they play as a team and share it rather then watching redd put up his 20plus shots per game no matter what!

what about redd and Cv for andre miller and one or two of their youngsters like carney

miller
mo
carney
yi
bogut

1. That's a horrible trade idea.

2. Stop suggesting trades.

[xTitan]

Bogut played well, Bell played well. It's just one game. But why do Bogut's hook shots not go in on a regular day but on days like this he can't miss? It makes no sense. We still should have won by more though, but we aren't that good.

Its called repetition............you shoot and miss twice and don't see the ball for another quarter, how do you ever become comfortable and above all develop confidence.....Bogut needs touches and the ability to forget that a Michael Redd possesses.

[midranger]

Yeah, guys. One game does not a career make.

Take this in context. We are a bad team. Last year Zack Randolph AVERAGED something like 23 and 11 on a bad team. We're falling over a 25 and 8 game from Bogut. That shows me, at least, what a disappointment he's been to this point.

However, I do think that this again illustrates that Andrew Bogut is a confidence player. The Bobcats are a team that he's historically played well and is aggressive against. I don't think it's coincidence that he played well and aggressive tonight. Just like I don't think its coincidence that he always played terrible against Ben Wallace. With Bogut, 90% of his issues are mental IMO. He has all the requisite skills, just too much thought goes into using them.

[Newz]

Yeah Luke, you turkey.

[Simulack]

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What the hell do you mean its one game? Bogut had 10 points 7 rebounds 4 assists last game??? He plays well every game nearly.... Then in a game before that he had 13 points 12 rebounds.....yet you say its only one game.....

Seriously some of you here are absolute turkey's.

Thanks for reminding me that I forgot to ignore you in the game thread.

[LUKE23]

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What the hell do you mean its one game? Bogut had 10 points 7 rebounds 4 assists last game??? He plays well every game nearly.... Then in a game before that he had 13 points 12 rebounds.....yet you say its only one game.....

Seriously some of you here are absolute turkey's.

10/7/4 with Redd out is an average to below average game, 13/12 is a solid game, nothing spectacular. I'm talking about spectacular games, Bogut has had very few this year. He needs to start giving 15/10+ games consistently.

[ahagen87]

i only trade redd to philly if it ivolves us getting iggy in the deal plus one of their young sf's

[europa]

Yeah Luke, you turkey.

Did you just call yourself a turkey?

[bayrdbandit]

From what I saw, we didn't play very good. We're still a bad team, and it's unfortunate that this win will probably make the management think we don't need a trade. I kind of wish we would have lost.

on the contrary. i think management will look at this win without redd and think "what pieces could we add to this lineup to help round out the team?"

with all this talk about yi and bogut being untouchable, that thought will be going through their minds.

running the offense through bogut was a good move tonight, particularly when he's on a roll. he was hitting some pretty contested shots.

i'm amazed at the play of charlie bell. he was making some incredible moves. if he and bogut could bring those games every night...

i'd like to see one more game without redd, see if this wasn't a fluke.

[xTitan]

Yeah, guys. One game does not a career make.

Take this in context. We are a bad team. Last year Zack Randolph AVERAGED something like 23 and 11 on a bad team. We're falling over a 25 and 8 game from Bogut. That shows me, at least, what a disappointment he's been to this point.

However, I do think that this again illustrates that Andrew Bogut is a confidence player. The Bobcats are a team that he's historically played well and is aggressive against. I don't think it's coincidence that he played well and aggressive tonight. Just like I don't think its coincidence that he always played terrible against Ben Wallace. With Bogut, 90% of his issues are mental IMO. He has all the requisite skills, just too much thought goes into using them.

Thats your opinion....mine is that 22 wasn't there...it amazes me how everyone so easily dismisses the "teammate" factor. I will ask again, does Bogut EVER get that many touches in the 4th quarter with Redd there, the answer is HELL NO....Bogut had big games last year against Charlotte and I believe Redd didn't play then either.....plus he up against the great Emeka Okafor, who so many on this board feel is quite great.

[darbstar]

i thought trading redd was almost a positive by subtraction so anyone who is a good team player would muchly benefit our team

[Bballer2306]

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10/7/4 with Redd out is an average to below average game, 13/12 is a solid game, nothing spectacular. I'm talking about spectacular games, Bogut has had very few this year. He needs to start giving 15/10+ games consistently.

Ok I give up.....I am literally speechless now.

[europa]

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on the contrary. i think management will look at this win without redd and think "what pieces could we add to this lineup to help round out the team?"

Or they could look at this game and realize the Bucks barely beat a terrible team without Redd and got absolutely stomped by a mediocre team without Redd. I wouldn't feel confident using the sample size without Redd so far as an indication this team can thrive without him.

[Newz]

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Did you just call yourself a turkey?

No, I was referring to LUKE23 and how that one dude who thinks Bogut is better than Tim Duncan called him a turkey.

Also, I was very impressed by Bogut this game. I realize that this is only one game but it is nice to see him show those post moves. Like I said, I think this is the best game I've ever seen him play. I'm not looking at stats or 20/20 games or whatever... He was a legit threat in the post which is something that this team desperately needs.

[schweig]

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on the contrary. does mgmt know they're running a basketball team that plays games they could watch?