Bucks-Bobcats Postgame Thread 1/6/2007

[Simulack]

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the only thing absurd is the fact you took the statement out of context.....it was posed to Europa after he made a comment that the Bucks struggled to beat a bad Charlotte team.

Out of context? It's obvious what you have been implying in this thread. If it wasn't clear enough here, I think you voting for Redd's "thigh bruise" as player of the game says it all.

I want him gone as well but Bogut having 25 tonight when Redd is gone is no more a ground to make a decision than it was when Bogut was 5-13 the first game he was out.

[carmelbrownqueen]

ahhh so the Bogut bashers go to sarcasm...nice!...Does Bogut get 15 shots with Redd in the game? Do the Bucks go to Bogut down the stretch?? Do the Bucks actually play defense down the stretch with 22 in?? I sure do miss those fade away jumpers down the stretch............there should not be a game where Bogut does not get 12-15 shots a game, that should be a goal set by the coaching staff, we all know when things return that won't happen.

Bogut seems to play well against the Bobcats...it's like his confidence builds whenever he plays against them. Wish he was this assertive against some of the other teams he typically struggles against. He has improved greatly this season, especially on the defensive end, I just hope he stays aggressive

[europa]

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One great game doesn't mean he's f'ing Wilt

He's better than Wilt.

[Newz]

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His teammates are the same as year 2, the BACKCOURT is the same as year 2....................I hope he does go, go somewhere to a team that has a clue how to play the game right.

So his team has stayed the same... Shouldn't that mean he should improve since all things have remained equal... Rather than have his FG% drop off?

[darbstar]

LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT FOR ALL WHO DONT SEEM TO GET IT!

i Dont think anyone is using this one game as the basis of a redd trade, i think everyone has been thinking that a redd trade for a more complete player would be beneficial to Yi, Bogut, Mo for a long time! We arent winning with Redd in the team and we havent the whole time he has been here! Not that he isnt a good player just think its time for a change and that he would be better on another team

[wichmae]

Its amazing after a great team win you guys still find a way to hijack threads with your petty s**t. Some of you are seriously just flamers and homers. Get over your personal agenda's and at least enjoy one of the better looking wins of the season...
My god.

[Simulack]

I think that I like Brewer more because he's already a good player, who if given a larger role could break out to be a very good player. He's just far more of a sure thing at this point. Wright has a long way to go before he's even as good as Brewer.

Fair enough but for that reason he'll be a lot harder to get. Any suggestions that don't involve AK (since I dont think an AK/Brewer trade will happen)?

NO's is in more desperate need of a SG so its possible we could get two former lottery picks (Wright/Armstrong) and this years low first for Redd.

[jerrod]

If getting a double double means having an average game, my gosh Andrew Bynum has had lots of average games.

my bad i guess you're right


bynum is average, bogut is below average


thanks for straightening that out

[Newz]

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He's better than Wilt.

You can't compare eras, Europa!

But if I had to choose... I'd take Bogut 10 out of 10 times.

[xTitan]

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Then you're not a Bucks fan, you're a Bogut fan, and you can get the hell out along with him.

I want Bogut to stay. It's all about keeping things in perspective. One great game doesn't mean he's f'ing Wilt, one bad game doesn't mean he's goddam Kandi Man.

People around here need a massive lesson in sample size.

The point is and has always been that teammates matter.....do you think Bogut has the 4th quarter he did with Redd on the court??? Do you believe that for 1 second? I certainly do not absolve Bogut from his inconsistent offense, it angers me because I see the talent, but to dismiss the teammate factor is stupid......I think Okafor suffers from the same exact thing.

[europa]

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You can't compare eras, Europa!

But if I had to choose... I'd take Bogut 10 out of 10 times.

I'd take Wilt's black book.

Well not anymore. Most of those women gotta be 80 by now.

[Simulack]

You can't compare eras, Europa!

But if I had to choose... I'd take Bogut 10 out of 10 times.

My sources tell me that only 9 out of 10 NBA GM's would take Bogut over Wilt. McHale foolishly believes a Jefferson/Wilt combo would be more effective.

[xTitan]

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My sources tell me that only 9 out of 10 NBA GM's would take Bogut over Wilt.

Ahhh but would your mom??? Chances are Wilt knew a few mom's around the Milwaukee area.

[LUKE23]

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The point is and has always been that teammates matter.....do you think Bogut has the 4th quarter he did with Redd on the court??? Do you believe that for 1 second? I certainly do not absolve Bogut from his inconsistent offense, it angers me because I see the talent, but to dismiss the teammate factor is stupid......I think Okafor suffers from the same exact thing.

I already acknowledged this. Are you implying with less talent overall Bogut gets more shots? Well, no kidding. But do the Bucks win more games? Debatable.

Of course if you have a roster and you subtract the top scoring option the #2/#3 scoring options FGA are going to go up considerably. If Bogut is as dominant a player as you say, he produces with or without Redd on the court.

Bogut does get frozen out AT TIMES by the guards, but it's not all on the guards. It's on Bogut.

[Newz]

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My sources tell me that only 9 out of 10 NBA GM's would take Bogut over Wilt.

After this game where he has clearly proven he is a top 5 center of all time... I would say every NBA GM would make that decision unless they have some sort of other agenda.

[paul]

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He played pretty well. He's been an OK bench player and Voskuhl has been OK so am I the only one shaking his head at the fact the Bucks are paying $6M a year for a fourth-string center?

No.

Outstanding win tonight. I know the bobcats are a poor team, but this was won the right way imo, by hitting the post constantly and then looking to create either for bogut or kick outs, it's no coincidence that with Redd out bogut got a lot more touches and had a far more impressive game. What i will say is this, i do not think we are a better team without Redd. He is our best player, comfortably. But i do think our offensive movement is FAR better without redd. I hope with redd watching that game tonight he realises how much better this team can be if it has him and bogut both getting a lot of touches, rather than bogut being his afterthought. Unfortunately i fear it will probably continue to fall on deaf eyes .
It annoys hell out of me when people use a one game sample to start trade threads etc, bogut was outstanding tonight but seriously lets not get ahead of ourselves. What i will say however is that for those who have been desperate to trade bogut, tonights game is one example as to why some of us don't want to and are prepared to let him continue to develop. The upside can be huge, and his potential ceiling is a mile above someone like Sam Dalambert's.

Props to CB who was fantastic tonight, and i also thought simmons contributed. No surprise that when we D up we give ourselves a chance to win. Also props to LukePlisker who's been riding bogut like a bull lately but gave him credit tonight, nice to see some of us actually give credit where it's due even if we don't like someone.

[midranger]

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Fair enough but for that reason he'll be a lot harder to get. Any suggestions that don't involve AK (since I dont think an AK/Brewer trade will happen)?

NO's is in more desperate need of a SG so its possible we could get two former lottery picks (Wright/Armstrong) and this years low first for Redd.

I know what you're saying. I'd take quality over quantity in a trade like this. I think that Brewer is better than Wright. Armstrong really does nothing for me as a prospect.

I think your trade could be altered to include Simmons for Peja. If we're going to overpay an injury prone, stand-still shooter, he may as well be able to shoot. I get that Peja has an extra year, but I do think that he could be a valuable bench player for any team, if he's willing to accept that role.

[schweig]

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Ahhh but would your mom??? Chances are Wilt knew a few mom's around the Milwaukee area.

Grandmas, like europa said "That's a fetching petticoat, is it very soft?" "Are you getting fresh with me Wilton? "

[xTitan]

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I already acknowledged this. Are you implying with less talent overall Bogut gets more shots? Well, no kidding. But do the Bucks win more games? Debatable.

Of course if you have a roster and you subtract the top scoring option the #2/#3 scoring options FGA are going to go up considerably. If Bogut is as dominant a player as you say, he produces with or without Redd on the court.

Bogut does get frozen out AT TIMES by the guards, but it's not all on the guards. It's on Bogut.

I have never said he is a dominant player but so many idiots make him out to be a dog....and Yes, I do believe you become a much better team when you run it through him and when you can score in the post....everyone always just wants to compare numbers..../Bynum has these numbers, Dalembert has these...but no one seems to take into account the variables, and the biggest variable for a big man is his teammates....I do believe Bogut should be much more agressive and to that extent it is his fault, I also believe since they do not have many unselfish players he is stuck running the damn offense from the top...which does not translate to stats, which so many people seem hung up on....I just don't see Bynum and Dalembert having to run there teams half court offense.

[rilamann]

When Bogut touches the ball good things happen.

BTW love how the Bogut bashers are pounding thier basketball credibility (regarding Bogut) even further into the ground by making smart ass remarks about his 25/8/3 on 10-15 from the field.

Save face and give the guy some props.

You can bash the guy when one of his hook shots rim out but you can't give him props when he has a solid game?