Bucks-Bobcats Postgame Thread 1/6/2007

Andrew34r · Post #101 » by **Andrew34r** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:09 am

I thought the defense we played in the first quarter was the best we played all season so far. Stick with Ivey starting...its what I felt they should have done in the first place with Redd out.

Simulack · Post #102 » by **Simulack** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:10 am

midranger wrote:I know what you're saying. I'd take quality over quantity in a trade like this. I think that Brewer is better than Wright. Armstrong really does nothing for me as a prospect.

I think your trade could be altered to include Simmons for Peja. If we're going to overpay an injury prone, stand-still shooter, he may as well be able to shoot. I get that Peja has an extra year, but I do think that he could be a valuable bench player for any team, if he's willing to accept that role.

Good idea. If Peja is included, Bucks are able to send both Simmons and Gadz to NO's. We don't save money but we actually get someone who at least contributes something.

Newz · Post #103 » by **Newz** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:10 am

paul wrote:Also props to LukePlisker who's been riding bogut like a bull lately but gave him credit tonight, nice to see some of us actually give credit where it's due even if we don't like someone.

I always give Bogut props when he deserves it.

He played like a all-star level player tonight... I'm almost sad that he did, because now I have to read about how he is God's gift to basketball for the next three days... But it's good to see him show something.

If he can ever become a reliable option in the post like that on a nightly basis he could be very valuable...

But more so than Bogut this game we got help from our supporting cast. CLEARLY Bogut was our best player... But what we have been lacking is production from guys like Bell, Simmons, Ivey, Ruffin, CV, Yi.... Etc. Tonight a few of those guys stepped up and it means a lot when they do.

If Bell and Simmons could give these sort of performances more often then the Bucks would have a much better record.

LUKE23 · Post #104 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:11 am

I'm not a Bogut basher and I'm not a Bogut homer. He's had an average season. I've expected more. I acknowledged several times that he played GREAT tonight.

Now I want to see this kind of game CONSISTENTLY. Believe me, I would love to be shut up by the guy. LOVE TO.

kebzach · Post #105 » by **kebzach** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:11 am

2-10 shooting for CV tonight, that's not going to cut it. If CV isn't scoring, he's not worth too much out there. His early season talk about rebounding has translated into 4.7 boards per game and no games with 10 or more boards.

kebzach · Post #106 » by **kebzach** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:12 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Good idea. If Peja is included, Bucks are able to send both Simmons and Gadz to NO's. We don't save money but we actually get someone who at least contributes something.

Why would a 23-11 team that's 5th in the west right now make this move? What's their motivation?

xTitan · Post #107 » by **xTitan** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:13 am

schweig wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Grandmas, like europa said "That's a fetching petticoat, is it very soft?" "Are you getting fresh with me Wilton? "

paul · Post #108 » by **paul** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:13 am

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I always give Bogut props when he deserves it.

He played like a all-star level player tonight... I'm almost sad that he did, because now I have to read about how he is God's gift to basketball for the next three days... But it's good to see him show something.

If he can ever become a reliable option in the post like that on a nightly basis he could be very valuable...

But more so than Bogut this game we got help from our supporting cast. CLEARLY Bogut was our best player... But what we have been lacking is production from guys like Bell, Simmons, Ivey, Ruffin, CV, Yi.... Etc. Tonight a few of those guys stepped up and it means a lot when they do.
If Bell and Simmons could give these sort of performances more often then the Bucks would have a much better record.

Agreed 100%

rilamann · Post #109 » by **rilamann** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:14 am

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I have never said he is a dominant player but so many idiots make him out to be a dog....and Yes, I do believe you become a much better team when you run it through him and when you can score in the post....everyone always just wants to compare numbers..../Bynum has these numbers, Dalembert has these...but no one seems to take into account the variables, and the biggest variable for a big man is his teammates....I do believe Bogut should be much more agressive and to that extent it is his fault, I also believe since they do not have many unselfish players he is stuck running the damn offense from the top...which does not translate to stats, which so many people seem hung up on....I just don't see Bynum and Dalembert having to run there teams half court offense.

Great post and I challenge any Bogut basher to quote 1 post when a Bogut supporter has used the word ''dominate'',I challenge you to find 1 post.

Thats the thing,no one is saying Bogut is a dominate player or a Tim Duncan or a #1 option all we (Bogut supporters) are saying is the guy is a solid basketball player that can help a team win games and if the Bucks used him more and used him properly the Bucks as a team would be better because of it.

Newz · Post #110 » by **Newz** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:14 am

LUKE23 wrote:I'm not a Bogut basher and I'm not a Bogut homer. He's had an average season. I've expected more. I acknowledged several times that he played GREAT tonight.

Now I want to see this kind of game CONSISTENTLY. Believe me, I would love to be shut up by the guy. LOVE TO.

Exactly.

crkone · Post #111 » by **crkone** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:14 am

I wish there could be a way to always have a decent defensive guard in the backcourt. :nonono:

bigricho12 · Post #112 » by **bigricho12** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:14 am

europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'd say this is as much a product of coaching as it is Redd. There's no reason the ball couldn't go into Bogut more if that's what the head coach demanded. It's also important to realize there have been plenty of games this season where Bogut didn't deserve to touch the ball in the fourth quarter so going with Redd was by far the best option. But I do think the offense is geared too heavily around Redd in crunch time and there needs to be better ball movement. I'll say what I've been saying for years - treat Redd like he's Reggie Miller and not Kobe Bryant and I think the entire team would benefit.

I totally agree with this, in fact I have been saying for 2 yrs that Redd would be a great SG on this team, if his shots were reduced slightly so he was more of a 21 ppg shooting guard. He is a great starting piece for Milwaukee, but letting him play like he is Kobe is detrimental to the team.

xTitan · Post #113 » by **xTitan** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:15 am

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I always give Bogut props when he deserves it.

He played like a all-star level player tonight... I'm almost sad that he did, because now I have to read about how he is God's gift to basketball for the next three days... But it's good to see him show something.

If he can ever become a reliable option in the post like that on a nightly basis he could be very valuable...

But more so than Bogut this game we got help from our supporting cast. CLEARLY Bogut was our best player... But what we have been lacking is production from guys like Bell, Simmons, Ivey, Ruffin, CV, Yi.... Etc. Tonight a few of those guys stepped up and it means a lot when they do.

If Bell and Simmons could give these sort of performances more often then the Bucks would have a much better record.

So basically the team played some good, unselfish, basketball tonight.

paul · Post #114 » by **paul** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:15 am

kebzach wrote:2-10 shooting for CV tonight, that's not going to cut it. If CV isn't scoring, he's not worth too much out there. His early season talk about rebounding has translated into 4.7 boards per game and no games with 10 or more boards.

CV was very quiet tonight, but on the whole over the past month or so he's been far more productive than Yi in the 4 imo, save for Yi's breakout game of course.

midranger · Post #115 » by **midranger** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:15 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Good idea. If Peja is included, Bucks are able to send both Simmons and Gadz to NO's. We don't save money but we actually get someone who at least contributes something.

BTW, sorry this discussion is taking place in the game thread.

Anyway, including Simmons/Gadz for Peja would make sense for both teams.

At this point, Redd is like a rich man's Peja, so the Hornets will not need him any longer. Also, adding a backup center who is a homeless man's version of their starter wouldn't hurt them. They need some depth there, and Gadz is atleast 6 fouls in the playoffs. Simmons has sucked, no doubt. But they may like that his deal is a year shorter than Peja's.

Simulack · Post #116 » by **Simulack** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:16 am

kebzach wrote:Why would a 23-11 team that's 5th in the west right now make this move? What's their motivation?

That's only an addition to the trade Midranger suggested. The core of the trade was Redd for Julian Wright/Armstrong and NO's 2008 first.

I posted that on the trade board and some thought that wasn't enough for Redd. IMO it is and is a lot more than what Philly got for AI and pretty comparable to what the Sonics got for Ray.

But since some didn't think it was enough and Mid suggested it, I got rid of Gadz/Simmons for Peja. Perhaps that makes it unlikely for NO to accept it.

Bballer2306 · Post #117 » by **Bballer2306** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:17 am

rilamann wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Great post and I challenge any Bogut basher to quote 1 post when a Bogut supporter has used the word ''dominate'',I challenge you to find 1 post.

Thats the thing,no one is saying Bogut is a dominate player or a Tim Duncan or a #1 option all we (Bogut supporters) are saying is the guy is a solid basketball player that can help a team win games and if the Bucks used him more and used him properly the Bucks as a team would be better because of it.

Bingo! Thank you for posting some intelligent factual information! :clap:

paul · Post #118 » by **paul** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:17 am

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So basically the team played some good, unselfish, basketball tonight.

Yes. And damn did it make a nice change to watch.

Newz · Post #119 » by **Newz** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:19 am

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So basically the team played some good, unselfish, basketball tonight.

They made shots.

The only guy who really got more shots than he normally does is Charlie Bell.

Regardless of if Redd is playing or not (which I know is what you are getting at with the 'unselfish' comment) those guys have not been making their shots.

Bobby Simmons has been pathetic all year and he played a decent game and Charlie Bell has been the worst shooter in the NBA and he randomly went 11-18... That's why we won.

If those guys give those sort of efforts while Redd is in the line-up, I bet we would have a lot more wins this season.

Chuck Diesel · Post #120 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:19 am

If Bogut can put it together like this consistently he will be a complete beast. Finally a positive night for Bucks fans.