Bucks-Bobcats Postgame Thread 1/6/2007

[WRau1]

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We just got lucky, don't you get that? If Redd was hurt all year, that would of been a 10 game winning streak. Because Bogut would be averaging 57/25/14 if Redd wasn't here.


We're an average at best team with Redd right now. We're a bad team without Redd. I'm trying to figure out why this is so difficult for people to grasp.

I think it's sad this thread had to turn into a Bogut debate thread. When we should be excited the way Bobby and Bell played. When Redd comes back, if those 2 can get back to normal, this could be a solid team.

I agree. If Simmons can continue to do all the little things like he did this game while eventually find his range, we could be a good team. Bell has to keep it up as well. Who knows, maybe we can package or 1st this year with DG for someone to help us make a push...

[Simulack]

I'll put it here since I heard it on the post-game show.

According to Woelfel, CV's stock is "soaring." Then he said one Western Conference executive told him you coud now likely get a starter for him in "the right situation."

[Nowak008]

Bell pretty much blew whatever good will he earned tonight by it becoming obvious from what Paschke said during the game and from the post-game show that he blames Bucks fans for his shooting woes.

You say you aren't going to give 100% if Milwaukee signs you and then whine when the fans boo you. WHAT A DOUCHE, unbelievable.

Anyone else catch this? Larry K. said Charlie has had it rough and maybe he wouldn't struggle so much if Bucks fans lightened up on him and didn't hurt his feelings.

MY **** GOD.

Paschke thinks Bell blames us for his shooting woes? or did Bell say that? Fro m LKs comments it makes me think he browses the board.

[Simulack]

Couple of things from Woelful:

Asked on the odds of a trade being made before the deadline, Woelful said 99.9%

Asked on the odds of Harris being the Bucks GM at the end of the season, he said 50/50 then said "even that is probably too high."

Then mentioned that the Sund rumor is very, very legitimate.

If Harris is likely out eventually and a trade is going to be made, you have to think the first would happen before the second. Harris could be gone soon.

Woelful really made it sound like he thinks Harris is gone. Then went on to say that he thinks 100% that Harris will get another GM job and is generally though of well by other NBA front office people.

[paul]

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CV was very quiet tonight, but on the whole over the past month or so he's been far more productive than Yi in the 4 imo, save for Yi's breakout game of course.

I don't know if I'd call it "far more effective".

I just ran numbers for the games from December 7th through today, and I projected their numbers out to a "per 48 minute" average.

Charlie:

21.1 points
8.9 boards
.7 assists
2.5 turnovers
.5 steals
1.1 blocks

Yi:

18.1 points
11.0 boards
2.1 assists
3.3 turnovers
1.2 steals
1.6 blocks

Charlie (without his best game in the group, which was the 1-2-08 game at Miami projected out over 48 minutes):

20.0 points
8.7 boards
.6 assists
2.4 turnovers
.5 steals
1.2 blocks

Yi (without the 12-22-07 Charlotte game):

17.1 points
11.0 boards
2.0 assists
3.3 turnovers
1.1 steals
1.6 blocks

There are differences there, but perhaps not the gap that you might have thought.

Closer than i thought your right although i wasn't really referring to numbers. CV has looked like much more of an offensive threat in that time than Yi imo, who really hasn't had much except his long range jumper. Both have played poor d at times. Yi has also scored quite a few points in the recent junk time games, although CV did last game as well. What i would say is teams have been struggling to defend cv when he's been making moves to the paint, the only thing yi has really been bringing is that long range j.

[Simulack]

Paschke thinks Bell blames us for his shooting woes? or did Bell say that? Fro m LKs comments it makes me think he browses the board.

LK said it but Pashcke also mentioned it during the game. Looks like its common knowledge Bell feels like that.

[paul]

I'll put it here since I heard it on the post-game show.

According to Woelfel, CV's stock is "soaring." Then he said one Western Conference executive told him you coud now likely get a starter for him in "the right situation."

He should be starting for us imo, although i've been saying that since the start of the season and have been shouted down a fair bit.

[schweig]

Couple of things from Woelful:

Asked on the odds of a trade being made before the deadline, Woelful said 99.9%

Asked on the odds of Harris being the Bucks GM at the end of the season, he said 50/50 then said "even that is probably too high."

Then mentioned that the Sund rumor is very, very legitimate.

If Harris is likely out eventually and a trade is going to be made, you have to think the first would happen before the second. Harris could be gone soon.

Why not just demote Harris to "scout: little-known guards" and roll without a GM for a while if they're going to operate the way they do anyway?

[WRau1]

Which rumor is the "Sund" rumor?

[Simulack]

Which rumor is the "Sund" rumor?

Some Yahoo writer:

"If Harris goes, the belief is that Kohl would turn to ex-Sonics GM, Rick Sund, who started his player personnel career in Milwaukee. A source familiar with Kohl's thinking believes that Doug Collins is on his radar for the top basketball executive's job, but doubts the owner would pay what's necessary to lure him out of television."

Woelful actually added to it and said that Sund met with the Nets/Thorn back in December:

The Seattle SuperSonics granted the New Jersey Nets permission Sunday to speak with former general manager Rick Sund about the Nets' vacant GM position.

Sund, who is a consultant with the Sonics after being fired in June, is in the final year of his contract. The Nets' job became open when Ed Stefanski left to become GM of the Philadelphia 76ers.

I believe Woelful then said Sund sort of suspiciously turned this down leading him to speculate maybe he had another offer on the table. [This part could be a bit off as I wasn't listening closely.]

[WRau1]

Oh, nice. Thanks.

[xTitan]

believe Woelful then said Sund sort of suspiciously turned this down leading him to speculate maybe he had another offer on the table. [This part could be a bit off as I wasn't listening closely.]

You are correct Sund turned down an opportunity to join the Nets group raising specualtion he might come here, Woelfel also said Sund is friends with Steinmueller or how ever you spell it, which made me groan as loud as Sparky groaned!

The other interesting thing Woelfel said was that the Bucks put in 6 new plays for Bogut on Saturday.

[REDDzone]

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/rick_sund.htm

[kebzach]

Closer than i thought your right although i wasn't really referring to numbers. CV has looked like much more of an offensive threat in that time than Yi imo, who really hasn't had much except his long range jumper. Both have played poor d at times. Yi has also scored quite a few points in the recent junk time games, although CV did last game as well. What i would say is teams have been struggling to defend cv when he's been making moves to the paint, the only thing yi has really been bringing is that long range j.

Well when CV is coming off of the 3 point line and driving, he's more dangerous than a lot of guys in this league. I wish he'd do that more, because he can score on runners, he can get all the way to the rim, and he will free himself up for more 3 looks as well.

[kebzach]

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/rick_sund.htm

October 31 2006
Signed forward Nick Collison to a contract extension.
October 30 2006
Signed guard Luke Ridnour to a contract extension.
Draft 2006
Selected center Saer Sene (10th overall pick) and guards Denham Brown (40th overall pick) and Yotam Halperin (53rd overall pick).
Draft 2005
Selected center Johan Petro (25th overall pick) and forwards Mickael Gelabale (48th overall pick) and Lawrence Roberts (55th overall pick).
Draft 2004
Selected center Robert Swift (12th overall pick) and guard Andre Emmett (35th overall pick) and David Young (41st overall pick).

[Simulack]

You are correct Sund turned down an opportunity to join the Nets group raising specualtion he might come here, Woelfel also said Sund is friends with Steinmueller or how ever you spell it, which made me groan as loud as Sparky groaned!

Yeah, I neglected to mention that part.

Did you interpret it the same way I did? since Woeful thought that there was a 99.99% chance that a move was going to be made and thought that there was only a 50% chance AT BEST that Harris would be here at the end of the year, that Harris will likely be gone soon since they aren't going to let a GM on his way out make major personnel decisions?

Or are they going to give Harris one last trade to turn things around?

Seemed to me he was suggesting Sund in soon then moves.

[paul]

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Well when CV is coming off of the 3 point line and driving, he's more dangerous than a lot of guys in this league. I wish he'd do that more, because he can score on runners, he can get all the way to the rim, and he will free himself up for more 3 looks as well.

Agreed and i think he's been doing that lately (tonight not so much), which is why i want him starting. He's so much more of an offensive threat than Yi, and whilst his D is bad i don't Yi's is as good as some others do. I still want Yi to get solid minutes, just want CV to get more and start.

[paul]

believe Woelful then said Sund sort of suspiciously turned this down leading him to speculate maybe he had another offer on the table. [This part could be a bit off as I wasn't listening closely.]

You are correct Sund turned down an opportunity to join the Nets group raising specualtion he might come here, Woelfel also said Sund is friends with Steinmueller or how ever you spell it, which made me groan as loud as Sparky groaned!

The other interesting thing Woelfel said was that the Bucks put in 6 new plays for Bogut on Saturday.

Thank god, i was hoping it wasn't all just luck. The question 'why has it taken this long' is the next one coming to mind.....

[xTitan]

Yeah, I neglected to mention that part.

Did you interpret it the same way I did? since Woeful thought that there was a 99.99% chance that a move was going to be made and thought that there was only a 50% chance AT BEST that Harris would be here at the end of the year, that Harris will likely be gone soon since they aren't going to let a GM on his way out make major personnel decisions?

Or are they going to give Harris one last trade to turn things around?

Seemed to me he was suggesting Sund in soon then moves.

Quite honestly I don't think Woelfel knew and neither do I......Woelfel knows what we all know and thats the lawyers make the final decision anyway so they would say yey or ney on any deal.....would not be shocked either way, Harris goes now or the end of the season......Woelfel also believed that it would be a 100% lock that Harris gets another GM job someday.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Sund has a horrible track record in the draft.


He has not drafted one player who has done anything of note.