The Real Reason We Lost...Rebounding

[J Dilla]

[quote="Death Knight"][/quote]

I know what you're saying, but these guys are starters and starters play starters minutes. Isn't Jose said to be a starter for any team in this league? It shouldn't matter who the backup is. How are Chris Paul and Deron handling it? If you're gonna be a starter in this league, you should be expected to play 40 minutes.

I know these criticisms of Jose came up too, but the blame for these losses are NEVER pointed to Jose. It's either Bosh, Smitch, Parker, or Bargnani.

[Death Knight]

I know what you're saying, but these guys are starters and starters play starters minutes. Isn't Jose said to be a starter for any team in this league? It shouldn't matter who the backup is. How are Chris Paul and Deron handling it? If you're gonna be a starter in this league, you should be expected to play 40 minutes.

IMO, Jose is still adjusting to being a starter. TJ has more experience being a starter than Jose. Jose has been playing against back ups most of his time here in Toronto/NBA. I am one of those people that think Calderon can be a starting pg in the NBA. Just not now. Especially not without a capable back up.

I know these criticisms of Jose came up too, but the blame for these losses are NEVER pointed to Jose. It's either Bosh, Smitch, Parker, or Bargnani.

I will help you understand why this happens........

Jose is passive and doesn't really take too many risks. He makes no attempt to take over games or do anything spectacular. So when he doesn't try anything, it's hard to throw the blame at him. It's like blaming a bench player who has played 0 minutes or telling a guy who doesn't even open his mouth to shut up. You can't miss a shot if you don't take one basically.

In the case of TJ. He is aggressive, takes risks, and tries to take over games. In the attempt to do so, you are either going to succeed or fail. As a result, there is going to be more emphases on his attempts.

With Jose, there is not much to talk about because he doesn't do as much as TJ. TJ does alot, so there is going to be more talk about TJ.

[rdtx2005]

First of all, this really has nothing to do with SS. I am talking to you and about you only. You brought SS into the discussion to deflect your paranoid agenda away from the discussion.

Nothing to do with SS only because you are BLIND to realize that I was only responding to SS's assertion that I was bashing Calderon when I'm CLEARLY NOT. Go re-read the thread and wake the hell up.

I brought SS into the discussion because that is what the discussion was about. I agreed to hump43's assessment that if it was TJ, the board will get riled. SS came in flaming away saying that i'm hating on Calderon.. What the hell does hating on Calderon have to do with agreeing on something another poster said?

I'm sorry.. but you are blind.. you jumped in the middle of something to 'talk to me only', if you want to "talk to me only".. MAKE A NEW THREAD.

Second of all, what I said about you is based on your past history.

If it does not pertain to the topic at hand. Shut up.

It's not just about this thread and what you just said now. It's everything with you in the past and present. You weren't bashing Calderon in this thread, that is true. But I never said anything regarding SS claiming you were bashing Calderon in the first place. I was referring to your agenda as a whole based on past and present history of your posts.

I'm sorry.. but you jumping in out of nowhere to flame me.. i'm going to protect myself. I'm just assuming you are on the SS bandwagon because you came out of nowhere to give your 'cheap' shots.

Inflated ego? Let me tell you this...I'm not here to impress anyone, be a yes man, or just say what people what to hear. If the truth hurts someone, then I can't help them. You just have to deal with it.

you are not here to impress anyone but yet you are the poster that always claims he is "telling the truth".. whatever man.

You have let the Calderonclone get to you and you can't even admit to that because you are too paranoid.

Supersub15 is not really a Calderclone (spell it right next time).. but he is a fool for overreacting.

[rdtx2005]

Again DK.. if you are going to call someone out.. DON'T do it when they are in a middle of a debate.

You are free to call me out on a new thread. Go ahead.

[dacrusha]

Rebounding is not a big problem for this team, unless it's also a problem for the 26 other teams who keep the other team off the offensive boards worse than we do (that's right kids, 4th best team in the league at defensive rebounding, check knickerblogger). We had a bad game, and you can't play smallball against a team with bigs who rebound that well.

Surprised no one has responded to this.

So, the Cavs game was clearly an anomaly and not the norm? On the flip-side, I suspect that we are at or near the bottom in offensive rebounding, an attribute which I couldn't care less about.

[Death Knight]

you are not here to impress anyone but yet you are the poster that always claims he is "telling the truth".. whatever man.

What the hell does telling the truth have anything to do with impressing?

Supersub15 is not really a Calderclone (spell it right next time).. but he is a fool for overreacting.

Maybe I missed the "s" at the end too, which may be why you think I was refering soley to SS. Like I said, I'm not talking about you in regards to this thread, but your whole history. You are obviously letting the Calderclones get to you. You admitted in another thread that you are going after the extremist that bash TJ Ford. Isn't that letting those Calderclones get to you? They have completely made you change your agenda and you're so paranoid about it that you don't even realize it.

[Death Knight]

Again DK.. if you are going to call someone out.. DON'T do it when they are in a middle of a debate.

You are free to call me out on a new thread. Go ahead.

Create a new thread just to call you out? I'm sorry but I'm not the kind to spam the board by making useless threads. It's either, post in someone else's thread or start your own thread. I don't even start that many threads in general.

[seanied]

And yes, I find it humorous that the TJ crowd picked this particular game to bash Calderon.

I have an image of vast numbers of TJ supporters "bashing" Calderon, but I'm not seeing any threads that are doing this.

The original point was simply this: If TJ was starting and the Raps lost 6 out of 8 games, there would be a slew of threads blaming TJ. Which is true. And that there have been no threads slamming Jose, which is also true.

[Reignman]

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I have an image of vast numbers of TJ supporters "bashing" Calderon, but I'm not seeing any threads that are doing this.

The original point was simply this: If TJ was starting and the Raps lost 6 out of 8 games, there would be a slew of threads blaming TJ. Which is true. And that there have been no threads slamming Jose, which is also true.

The funny part of all this is that Jose has this protective shield around him and never catches any heat.

When TJ plays he's a bum whether we WIN or lose, but with Jose playing it looks like everyone else is getting bashed. Everyone (incl CB4) gets bashed except the guy that is supposed to be the floor "general".

Everyone needs to wake up and see that Jose is not a "general", he doesn't even try to carry the team, he's more of a efficient foot soldier filling in for the general.

PS. I think he has the skill to step up and make a difference, but he is making a concious decision not to take risks. I'll let you guys decide why, cuz if I give my reason many people around here will start to flame.

[supersub15]

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I have an image of vast numbers of TJ supporters "bashing" Calderon, but I'm not seeing any threads that are doing this.

The original point was simply this: If TJ was starting and the Raps lost 6 out of 8 games, there would be a slew of threads blaming TJ. Which is true. And that there have been no threads slamming Jose, which is also true.

I have no problem with anybody creating a thread about Jose's play. There was actually a 15-page one just last week. But this thread was about rebounding, or lack thereof. The TJ fans are just littering.

[rdtx2005]

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The funny part of all this is that Jose has this protective shield around him and never catches any heat.

When TJ plays he's a bum whether we WIN or lose, but with Jose playing it looks like everyone else is getting bashed. Everyone (incl CB4) gets bashed except the guy that is supposed to be the floor "general".

Everyone needs to wake up and see that Jose is not a "general", he doesn't even try to carry the team, he's more of a efficient foot soldier filling in for the general.

PS. I think he has the skill to step up and make a difference, but he is making a concious decision not to take risks. I'll let you guys decide why, cuz if I give my reason many people around here will start to flame.

becareful what you say.. or else DK will same you for no reason whatsoever just because he thinks he is 'telling the truth'