Bucks-Bobcats Postgame Thread 1/6/2007

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No,
I do want redd to get his shots, but when they are not falling and the bucks refuse to work the ball around to others that can score (bogut, Yi, CV,), thats when I have a problem with it.

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God forbid you want one of the best scorers in the game to be shooting 15-20 times per game!

No no, I get it, Bogut's disappointments are not his fault, trust me, I get it.

Oh and even worse, when the rest of the players are playing great and have a flow in their offense, redd suddenly thinks he's the only player on the court in the fourth quarter and freezes out the rest of the team.

Yeah I love watching that brand of basketball!

[BuckFan25226]

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He's a young player...
Would you rather the bucks lose and not develop Bogut and Yi into players that can win in the future, or let redd and mo take jumpers and lose anyways while Bogut's offense doesn't get any better, and Yi remains a 5th or 6th option.

If saw Bogut had the potential to be a Duncan/ J-O'neal, Bosh etc. type player, I would like more ran through him. But he doesn't have that potential, not even close. It's his third freakin' year and he's still has a lot of work to do to become a go to offensive player. And no, force-feeding isn't the way to go. And I won't comment on that any further.

So to answer your question, I would rather Mo and Redd be taking more shots then Bogut since they're better offensive players.

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If saw Bogut had the potential to be a Duncan/ J-O'neal, Bosh etc. type player, I would like more ran through him. But he doesn't have that potential, not even close. It's his third freakin' year and he's still has a lot of work to do to become a go to offensive player. And no, force-feeding isn't the way to go. And I won't comment on that any further.

So to answer your question, I would rather Mo and Redd be taking more shots then Bogut since they're better offensive players.

Well not to worry, with mo and redd together they will always take the vast majority of shots in the bucks offense. And not surprisingly, we'll continue to suck and not make the playoffs.

[icat2000]

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Well not to worry, with mo and redd together they will always take the vast majority of shots in the bucks offense. And not surprisingly, we'll continue to suck and not make the playoffs.

Amen. And why many can't see that still amazes me and is why one of them has to go and I vote Redd off Bucks Island.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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Well not to worry, with mo and redd together they will always take the vast majority of shots in the bucks offense. And not surprisingly, we'll continue to suck and not make the playoffs.

What a crazy notion....we have our two best offensive options take the #1 and #2 most shots. Seriously what the **** are we thinking?

[BuckFan25226]

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Well not to worry, with mo and redd together they will always take the vast majority of shots in the bucks offense. And not surprisingly, we'll continue to suck and not make the playoffs.

Agreed, and we were all hoping Bogut was finally going to step up and be an offensive force this year, he hasn't been that.

Oh wait, that's Mo and Redd's fault, I forgot.

Realize this.

Mo's shot attempts per game are down by 2 per game compared to last year in more minutes. His FG% has gone up considerably, and his 3 point% is up considerably. His assists are up 1 per game and turnovers are down by a hair. Yet you continue to sling mud that Mo just jacks up jump shots.

While you then rip on Redd...

His shot attempts are down by 2 per game compared to last year. His rebounds are up, assists are up. You claim he thinks he's Kobe, actually if he thought he was Kobe, LeBron, he would be shooting much more. Considering Kobe averages 3 more FGA per game then Redd in less minutes while shooting the same FG% from the field. LeBron shoots about 5 times more per game then Redd.

So this thing about Mo and Redd chucking or jacking up shots all game couldn't be farther from the truth.

The fact is Bogut has yet to step up and take the load of those guys. So I agree, unless Bogut get's his head out of his ass and becomes worthy of getting the ball more, we will continue to lose.

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Its not just about the number, its about their lack of making the players around them better.

So we just don't want to see if Bogut can perform better with more opportunities as well as our other players like Yi?

Seems pretty crazy for me, but again thats why we're stuck in mediocrity, because we don't play as a team or play smart basketball.

Mo and redd can also score and take the most shots, but involving others, swinging the ball around more, they will get better shots as well as keep those around them playing at a higher level as well.

I know boguts a black hole and never passes the ball, so trying to establish him in the low post is stupid (dont know how to use the green font, but thats sarcasm).

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I actually like the way mo has played this year, but I think when you have mo and redd together, they just combine into this backcourt that really hurts the overall team play.

Throw any stats at me you want, but I've seen more than enough bucks basketball to see that the rest of the team isn't getting any better around those two.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Its not just about the number, its about their lack of making the players around them better.

So we just don't want to see if Bogut can perform better with more opportunities as well as our other players like Yi?

Seems pretty crazy for me, but again thats why we're stuck in mediocrity, because we don't play as a team or play smart basketball.

Mo and redd can also score and take the most shots, but involving others, swinging the ball around more, they will get better shots as well as keep those around them playing at a higher level as well.

I know boguts a black hole and never passes the ball, so trying to establish him in the low post is stupid (dont know how to use the green font, but thats sarcasm).

Both Mo AND Redd are averaging career highs in assists


Bogut needs to be more consistent and productive to get more touches and trust from his teammates. I'm a huge "Bogut needs more shots" supporter, but he needs to do a better job when he gets it and take it strong to the rim.


Try again smart guy, find some facts to back up your notions

[BuckFan25226]

Its not just about the number, its about their lack of making the players around them better.

So we just don't want to see if Bogut can perform better with more opportunities as well as our other players like Yi?

Seems pretty crazy for me, but again thats why we're stuck in mediocrity, because we don't play as a team or play smart basketball.

Mo and redd can also score and take the most shots, but involving others, swinging the ball around more, they will get better shots as well as keep those around them playing at a higher level as well.

I know boguts a black hole and never passes the ball, so trying to establish him in the low post is stupid (dont know how to use the green font, but thats sarcasm).

I know, again, how could I forget, it's everyone elses fault but Bogut's. Poor guy, if he played with Kobe or Kidd or anyone else with two legs and two arms he would easily be an all star by now.

[xTitan]

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I know, again, how could I forget, it's everyone elses fault but Bogut's. Poor guy, if he played with Kobe or Kidd or anyone else with two legs and two arms he would easily be an all star by now.

If you don't think Bogut would be a better player with Kidd or Kobe then you are even more clueless then I thought...and thats saying someting.

[jerrod]

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If you don't think Bogut would be a better player with Kidd or Kobe then you are even more clueless then I thought...and thats saying someting.

he might average better numbers, but it'd be the result of kobe and kidd spoonfeeding him the ball. it wouldn't mean he was a better player.

jason kidd got mikki moore a pretty good sized contract

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If you don't think Bogut would be a better player with Kidd or Kobe then you are even more clueless then I thought...and thats saying someting.

Thank you, all i hear is ripping on Bogut, or telling me how their assists are going up, but I watch the games, and this isn't a "team" and they haven't been getting better, just worse.

I'm just of the opinion we can turn it around more effectively in the future by giving Yi and Bogut more responsibility now as well as the rest of the supporting cast by utilizing redd more as a miller type as Europa mentioned earlier (less isos, less taking extremely difficult contested shots) and keeping the other players in the mix and developing some of our young talent.

And with the state of this team, I think it would also be foolish not to listen to any offers for redd or more if they present themselves.

[xTitan]

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he might average better numbers, but it'd be the result of kobe and kidd spoonfeeding him the ball. it wouldn't mean he was a better player.

jason kidd got mikki moore a pretty good sized contract

You are also overlooking the fact that Bogut would not have to run the halfcourt offense if he played with Kobe or Kidd, something many of his bashers routinely overlook here. Bynum had 23 last night, in the highlights alone. 4 baskets came on dunks from Kobe....its called teamwork, never thought I'd see the day that Kobe was less selfish then any of the Bucks guards.

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This isn't about Bogut becoming a 20ppg all-star, but a more consistent contributor in which the bucks look more often into the post for higher percentage shots or kick outs on the perimeter.

This season is done, lets use the rest of it to see if Bogut really can start taking a step in the direction of becoming consistent 16 or 17ppg scorer with his 9 or 10 rebounds.

[xTitan]

This isn't about Bogut becoming a 20ppg all-star, but a more consistent contributor in which the bucks look more often into the post for higher percentage shots or kick outs on the perimeter.

This season is done, lets use the rest of it to see if Bogut really can start taking a step in the direction of becoming consistent 16 or 17ppg scorer with his 9 or 10 rebounds.

his post moves are obviously better then they have been....you want improvement that starts with repetition...no one gets better by taking 2 shots a quarter....ask Redd.

[BuckFan25226]

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If you don't think Bogut would be a better player with Kidd or Kobe then you are even more clueless then I thought...and thats saying someting.

Reading comprehension isn't something they taught you on the short bus was it? His numbers would be slightly better, but he wouldn't turn into some force and become an all star that all of you Bogut apologists wish he would become.

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his post moves are obviously better then they have been....you want improvement that starts with repetition...no one gets better by taking 2 shots a quarter....ask Redd.

agreed!

[BuckFan25226]

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You are also overlooking the fact that Bogut would not have to run the halfcourt offense if he played with Kobe or Kidd, something many of his bashers routinely overlook here. Bynum had 23 last night, in the highlights alone. 4 baskets came on dunks from Kobe....its called teamwork, never thought I'd see the day that Kobe was less selfish then any of the Bucks guards.

You do realize that Andrew Bynum is better then Bogut, right? God please tell me you realize that.