If Paul Pierce PLayed for Miami

[Rondo_Fan]

No one on the face of the earth?<g>

You have to read more blogs. Lots of PP fans out there. I think KG will win the MVP and he is deserving but your hating is comical. Keep up the good work - I am entertained.

Pete

Your analogy breaks down on several levels.

Not only will KG likely win the MVP, but Tom Brady won several championships before Randy Moss came here.

However, I'm a Paul Pierce fan too. We're arguing about 10% of his game. 90% of it I've always liked. And if he changes the other 10%, like he did the other night in Detroit, then I won't have any complaints at all. If he plays like that the rest of the year, then he's a legit MVP candidate in my book, and more importantly, he will be captain of this team in more than name only.

[grantlongforpresident]

Rondo Fan. You are not a Paul Pierce fan.

Well maybe you are now, since you've backtracked so much. You have now steered the argument to make you sound like you like him, but you wish he improved a few small things.

FACT: You have been a hater for a long time.
FACT: You have softened your stance so much it is funny. I'm too lazy to go through your post history, but you have whined about Pierce since you got here.

Around the time you joined RealGM, a lot of casual fans were dumping on Pierce. The celtics sucked, why not blamed the best player? I mean... Pierce was the guy who hogged the ball and "remember when he bopped Tinsley!?"

Amateurs.

So basically you aren't fooling me. I'll take your backtracking as an admission that you were wrong.

[DarkAzcura]

If Paul Pierce played for Miami - instead of D-Wade - they wouldn't even be 8-25... It's not a knock on Pierce but a statement of how bad Miami's roster is.

If Miami was healthy to start the season and remained healthy I'm sure they'd have a better record than they have now but even then I think the playoffs would be a longshot... Maybe if they had Kobe but Pierce wouldn't make a significant difference on that team (if you're replacing Wade with him).

What roster do you think is better? The Celtics of last year or the Heat of this year?

With Pierce they were 20-27 last year...without they were 4-31. You just don't like Pierce...I've seen it on other boards.

[Rondo_Fan]

Around the time you joined RealGM, a lot of casual fans were dumping on Pierce. The celtics sucked, why not blamed the best player? I mean... Pierce was the guy who hogged the ball and "remember when he bopped Tinsley!?"

Can you please tell me what was wrong with this take?

What you guys don't understand is that a player can simultaneously be your best player and also the biggest source of your problems.

There is no way that you can win your argument, because everyone knows how they Cs did when PP was the man in town, and everybody knows how they're doing with KG as the man in town. That's just a very basic, fundamental fact underpinning this argument that you can't get around that. No amount of arm-waving and ball-washing will disguise it.

It's why KG will win the MVP award. Pierce is and will continue to be one of my favorite players, but he is not the guy I want to lead my franchise, and he never will be. And 30 real gms agree with me--everyone in the league would pick KG before PP. Heck, even KG agrees with me. KG didn't want to come here when Pierce was the man. Get over it.

You guys don't want to argue chemistry, but let me ask you this. The Knicks are currently 29th on Hollinger's Power Rankings. Do they have the 29th best talent in the league? If your answer is no, then chemistry matters.

Paul Pierce is an amazing player with one fatal flaw, it's always been all about him. He would have been better off with a guy like KG taking him under his wing a lot earlier in his career, and giving him a role to play. Instead, he got his ego boosted by being a big fish in a small pond, and it went to his head. To his credit, he is making the adjustment amazingly well this year to a more team-oriented style of basketball, which I would have expected, because he has always wanted to win and he has always been willing to make adjustments to his game. And he wasn't that far off anyway.

You guys are basically glorying in what the Cs are doing this year, and attributing it to Pierce. You have a right to your opinion, but make sure that you congratulate yourselves as much as possible over the next few months, because you are going to be surprised when the league names the MVP this year. Nobody except you is attributing the Cs success this year to PP finally getting some veteran talent around him. That's not the story. The story is KG coming to town.

[e in boulder]

Interesting question would you trade Rondo and Allen for Wade if the Heat put that offer on the table.

I wouldn't.

Funny how things change!

[BrokenLeftyJumper]

^^your on crack if you don't do Allen and Rondo for Wade.

[grantlongforpresident]

There is no way that you can win your argument, because everyone knows how they Cs did when PP was the man in town, and everybody knows how they're doing with KG as the man in town. That's just a very basic, fundamental fact underpinning this argument that you can't get around that. No amount of arm-waving and ball-washing will disguise it.

How bout when Garnett was the "man in town" on the T-Wolves? How'd he do?

I guess i can't win this argument since it is a "very basic, fundamental fact."

It's why KG will win the MVP award. Pierce is and will continue to be one of my favorite players, but he is not the guy I want to lead my franchise, and he never will be. And 30 real gms agree with me--everyone in the league would pick KG before PP. Heck, even KG agrees with me. KG didn't want to come here when Pierce was the man. Get over it.

A) Pierce is not one of your favorite players, since you always dump on him (until your recent semi-flip-flopping)

B) Nobody said Pierce was better then KG, nobody said Pierce will win the MVP over KG.

C)This argument is not about KG vs Pierce. It never has been. I'm perplexed why you keep bringing it up.

D) All 30 GM's agree with you? Huh?

The Knicks are currently 29th on Hollinger's Power Rankings. Do they have the 29th best talent in the league? If your answer is no, then chemistry matters.

Agreed.

Paul Pierce is an amazing player with one fatal flaw, it's always been all about him. He would have been better off with a guy like KG taking him under his wing a lot earlier in his career, and giving him a role to play. Instead, he got his ego boosted by being a big fish in a small pond, and it went to his head.

This is where you have no clue.

You guys are basically glorying in what the Cs are doing this year, and attributing it to Pierce. You have a right to your opinion, but make sure that you congratulate yourselves as much as possible over the next few months, because you are going to be surprised when the league names the MVP this year. Nobody except you is attributing the Cs success this year to PP finally getting some veteran talent around him. That's not the story. The story is KG coming to town.

Again, no one is going to be surprised if KG wins the MVP. You are making stuff up since The Truth has exposed your lies.

[numbas]

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What roster do you think is better? The Celtics of last year or the Heat of this year?

With Pierce they were 20-27 last year...without they were 4-31. You just don't like Pierce...I've seen it on other boards.

ok if u read the whole thread i already shut that discussion down the celtics of last year averaged more points a game and gave up less a game than the heat this year and without wade this year heat are averaging an even worse 84 a game which is a disgrace really

so just becuz u think the names r better doesnt mean the team will be