Bynum vs Yao

[Baller 24]

Nice post...oh and Amare is currently twice the player Bynum is, we will see how far Bynum progresses. Yao is, and will always be >>>Bynum, Bynum will be good one day, but he will be no where near the level Yao is at currently..

Why do you keep saying this. Bynum is ALREADY good. Not will be good, but ALREADY GOOD.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would take Bynum over Yao today. Yao is obviously better and the best C in the game. But the talk is about the future.

You act like Yao is light years ahead of Bynum....HE ISN'T. He puts up 9 more ppg and that is about it. Bynum rebounds just as well (already), blocks just as well (already), and passes just as well (already).

Yea Yao is a much better FT shooter, but Bynum is MUCH better from the floor,i so I think that would be a moot point. And for those who are about to say..."well Yao shoots more outside shots." Well good for him. I would rather have a guy who dominates the post than the perimeter EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Bynum will never be as good as Yao? Well that may be. He may get injured. He may get a contract and stop trying. But to say he doesn't have the potential to pass Yao is just ignorance, nothing more.

Uhh.....Yao is a better player in the paint, its a fact, and I hope you know that Yao is about 7 inches taller then Bynum...and yes Yao currently is light years away from Bynum, And the only thing I have seen you use is pure STATS...and if thats the case then lets compare Yao and Bynums 3rd seasons....
hmm Yao 18pts, 9reb, 2blks, 50% shooting.....Bynum 12pts, 10 reb, 2blks...hmm who would I take?

Yao is better then Bynum inside, outside, everywhere, Bynum's only factor over Yao is "REBOUNDING". That is it, Bynum is a good player now, but I was just saying he will only get better, but I'm only saying he won't reach Yao's potential/skill...

[KobeFarmarEra]

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First of all, I didn't say anything except offensively, and I didn't say Id take Curry over Bynum....And STOP using stats, Curry has MUCH MUCH HIGHER POTENTIAL offensivly then Bynum has ever in his career.

YOU SAID curry >> Bynum.

Curry is 5 years older than Bynum. Honestly, I don't see Curry becoming all that much better. Bynum is just scratching the surface and his offensive potential is huge.

Bynum is no where near DOMINANT, if thats dominant to you then you should also say that Tyson Chandlar is dominant because he also puts up 12pts, 12reb, and 2blks.....

Bynum is 20 years old.

[KobeFarmarEra]

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Uhh.....Yao is a better player in the paint, its a fact,

Completely false. Yao shoots jumpshots for the most part. Bynum is 2nd in the NBA in dunks while shooting .62% from the field.

[KobeFarmarEra]

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if he was really that good defensively we wouldnt be playign kwame more than 5 minutes

Um no.

Bynum has been playing over 30+ minutes the last 13 games.

Amare/Duncan only get around 32 minutes a game. With Lakers bench playing the way it is, Phil doesnt have to play Bynum too many minutes and nor should he. You need to give your big men rest. Use logic next time.

And if you haven't noticed, the Lakers have had a bunch of blowout victories this season where Kobe/Bynum didn't even play in the 4th quarter..

[Baller 24]

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Completely false. Yao shoots jumpshots for the most part. Bynum is 2nd in the NBA in dunks while shooting .62% from the field.

Umm Yao does shoot jump shots, but How are you going to tell me that Yao doesn't play in the paint? go to 82games.com Yao and the Houston Rockets last season ranked number 1 in points in the paint, and when Tracy McGrady gets back, I have no doubt we will be up there again. Bynum takes 7 shots per game, no **** hes shooting 62% off of all dunks.

Bynum put up superior numbers at 20 year old compared to Yao at 22. Fact.

Your comparing a Rookie to a 3rd year player, and don't give me that bull **** saying uhh...Bynum is only 20 years old, because I told you what Yao had to go through, and Bynum has been in the league WELL ENOUGH to know what happens in the NBA.

Bynum puts up better rebounding/blocks/FG% at 20 years old than Yao does at 27.

Again no **** he averages a better FG% he only dunks and attepts 7 shots per game....Bynum puts up better rebounding numbers....but why did you bring the NYK game into this? that doesn't matter Yao had enough blocks to get him past Bynum....

[SDChargers#1]

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First of all, I didn't say anything except offensively, and I didn't say Id take Curry over Bynum....And STOP using stats, Curry has MUCH MUCH HIGHER POTENTIAL offensivly then Bynum has ever in his career.

Bynum is no where near DOMINANT, if thats dominant to you then you should also say that Tyson Chandlar is dominant because he also puts up 12pts, 12reb, and 2blks.....

Is that what is getting your panties in a bunch? Fine, maybe dominant wasn't the best word. How about he has been dominating in SOME games? Is that good for ya.

I think you are mistaking what potential means. Potential - existing in possibility.

Well let's look at it. Bynum is taller and has greater wingspan than Curry (and is the same size weight wise as of right now). He has more athleticism. Oh and he is being tutored by Kareem.

Curry has already reached his potential. He isn't going to be making any more huge jumps in stats during his career. Pretty much, we know what we are going to be getting from Curry from now til the rest of his career.

Bynum? He just keeps making jumps. Every year he keeps getting better (by LARGE margins), which means he continues to improve.

For example, look at Kobe's career. For his first 4 years every year he progressed and got better and better. Then he pretty much leveled off with some give or take here or there.

Now Bynum is WAY more raw than Kobe was when he came into the NBA. He had to do his basic basketball learning as a rookie. You talked about Yao coming to the NBA from China and having to learn from scratch...Bynum was worse...MUCH worse.

Yao has reached his peak. Im sorry that I have to break this to you. The most you can ever expect from Yao is 25/11/2.5. Great numbers, absolutely. But Bynum has the potential...POTENTIAL to pass those.

[SDChargers#1]

Uh, you really are not understanding that age has a HUGE part to play when dealing with potential.

You completely discount the YEARS of basketball that Yao played in China. Bynum before playing in the NBA literally had ~40 high school games under his belt and that was it.

Yao had WAY WAY WAY WAY more basketball experience than Bynum coming into the NBA....AND IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.

[Baller 24]

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First of all, I didn't say anything except offensively, and I didn't say Id take Curry over Bynum....And STOP using stats, Curry has MUCH MUCH HIGHER POTENTIAL offensivly then Bynum has ever in his career.

Bynum is no where near DOMINANT, if thats dominant to you then you should also say that Tyson Chandlar is dominant because he also puts up 12pts, 12reb, and 2blks.....

Is that what is getting your panties in a bunch? Fine, maybe dominant wasn't the best word. How about he has been dominating in SOME games? Is that good for ya.

I think you are mistaking what potential means. Potential - existing in possibility.

Well let's look at it. Bynum is taller and has greater wingspan than Curry (and is the same size weight wise as of right now). He has more athleticism. Oh and he is being tutored by Kareem.

Curry has already reached his potential. He isn't going to be making any more huge jumps in stats during his career. Pretty much, we know what we are going to be getting from Curry from now til the rest of his career.

Bynum? He just keeps making jumps. Every year he keeps getting better (by LARGE margins), which means he continues to improve.

For example, look at Kobe's career. For his first 4 years every year he progressed and got better and better. Then he pretty much leveled off with some give or take here or there.

Now Bynum is WAY more raw than Kobe was when he came into the NBA. He had to do his basic basketball learning as a rookie. You talked about Yao coming to the NBA from China and having to learn from scratch...Bynum was worse...MUCH worse.

Yao has reached his peak. Im sorry that I have to break this to you. The most you can ever expect from Yao is 25/11/2.5. Great numbers, absolutely. But Bynum has the potential...POTENTIAL to pass those.

Bynum athletically will become a way better player than Yao, but he does not poses the type of skill to do so.

[Baller 24]

Uh, you really are not understanding that age has a HUGE part to play when dealing with potential.

You completely discount the YEARS of basketball that Yao played in China. Bynum before playing in the NBA literally had ~40 high school games under his belt and that was it.

Yao had WAY WAY WAY WAY more basketball experience than Bynum coming into the NBA....AND IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE.

Uhhh....I told you what happened to Yao the first season, you can actually watch the Year of the Yao (film) and see.

This thread is closed IMO, KobeFarmarEra and SD Chargers#1 are the only two posters that agree with this idea...besides that you can go through the whole thread and see that everyone goes for Yao....IMO closed thread, k thanks bye.
Yao wins.

[TMACFORMVP]

I never claimed Yao isn't a good defender/anchor but defense has alot to do with team coaching/effort and we can't really guage those two factors accurately. But Luke/Odom are pretty terrible defenders at their respective position and have to 'hidden' on defense at times since they both tend to matchup with ELITE players that they have no business guarding. Also, Jeff Van Gundy is a fantastic defensive coach (IMO better Phil Jackson the Lakers owner also agrees with this statement as he stated it on local radio).

Again you can blame whomever is around Bynum, but the fact still remains (since your so into facts) that Yao has been the anchor of a Top 5 defensive team literally every year hes been in the league despite who's around him. You can't honestly say that the starting lineup in 04-05 was any better than what the Lakers have now especially since the Lakers currently have an All-NBA Team defender in Kobe.

PG-Bob Sura
SG-David Wesley
SF-Tracy McGrady
PF-Juwan Howard
C-Yao Ming

Honestly with a straight face could you say that's a bunch of great defensive players? That's even worse than the Lakers IMHO.

Van Gundy definitely has the edge over Jackson on the defensive edge, but don't act like Jackson was never a good defensive coach either. The Lakers during their dynasty days, were one of the top defensive teams in the NBA.

99-00---92.3 points per game on 41%
00-01---97.2 points per game on 43%
01-02---94 points per game on 42%

And the next couple of years, around 94-98 points per game on around 43-44%.

Well he does. He also blocks more shots in less minutes. So while I have evidence stating that Bynum is a superior shotblocker, you have zero evidence showing that Yao alters more shots. I also POINTED OUT in a previous post that Bynum holds opposing centers to LOWER efg% and PER than Yao which bolsters my claim. So until you can prove otherwise: Bynum is the better anchor at this point and time.

Again, he's proven time and time again, with Yao as your center, you will be one of the best defensive teams in the NBA year in and year out. Last season, the Rockets led the league in opponents points in the paint and finished #2 in opponents FG%. And again the difference in that and the rebounding/shot-blocking numbers (which to be technical Yao averages more in both categories but I understand they're virtually the same and could give the edge to Bynum because of the minutes factor) isn't as much a difference as you are making it out to be.

Pick and roll is being run more than ever. It's ridiculous. It was one of Shaq's main flaws and is definetely one of Yao's since good teams will bring Yao out and exploit his lack of lateral quickness.
Then there is man defense. Bynum is ridiculously quick for his size/weight so he also has the advantage in terms of man defense. Just saying.

Yet Shaq's Lakers were a better defensive team and Yao's Rockets have generally always been the better defensive team. Just saying.

You're post is an opinion, so we can agree to disagree. My OP was meant to mean who you would choose terms of on the court and not the business aspect of the game.

Like Vintage said, Bynum's best should be THAT much better than Yao to where the owner doesn't think of the HUGE disparity between revenue and value to the franchise. It most definitely takes a part in terms of choosing players weather you like to believe it or not.

Completely false. Yao shoots jumpshots for the most part. Bynum is 2nd in the NBA in dunks while shooting .62% from the field.

How about that Yao is better at creating his own shot in the paint?

[farzi]

ITT, Laker homers compare their rising player who's 14/10 to yet another better center.

[Baller 24]

ITT, Laker homers compare their rising player who's 14/10 to yet another better center.

[KobeFarmarEra]

By the way, Kobe has the number 1 selling jersey in china right now so being chinese does not dictate how much money a superstar will generate for the league/team and what not.

[TooNice00]

this thread is stupid. if anyone honestly thinks they can build around bynum and claim him as a possible winning franchise player, over yao now or later, has much to learn about basketball. bynum has been in the league 3 years. he is playing very well. and Yes we all know he is 20 years old. i give him the benefit of being that age but that doesn't change that fact bynum has had 3 years of experience in the nba and is just now playing meaningful minutes. and lets not forget kwame brown of all people used to start over him. yes, 13 and 10 is nice but he should be doing a lot more if you actually believe he has legendary potential or has one of the highest trade values in the league......lol.....anyways..as far as nba centers go it is basically

dwight and yao







and everyone else.

[KobeFarmarEra]

^^ can someone quote who hasn't refreshed quote my long post above toonice00? I just erased it when i edited on accident

[TMACFORMVP]

Like I how you leave out Battier, who is extremely solid.

Battier wasn't on the team that year.....

Yet Shaq has 4 rings and 6 finals appearances and Yao has zero.

What does that have to do with anything? I said Yao's Rockets have generally been a better defensive team than the Bynum anchored Lakers. I'd never compared Yao to prime Shaq because that'd be foolish.

How much of that mythical chinese/internet revenue does owner of the Rockets recieve?

Enough that he made the Forbes list as one of the richest men in the world, as a billionaire. The revenue Yao brings is unmatched.

How about Andrew finishes better around the rim?

I'd agree with that.

I think in a few years time, yes, the difference between Bynum and Yao would warrant an owner to take Bynum over Yao in terms of how many more playoff wins it will translate to.

I seriously don't know what you expect Bynum to be considering Yao is a 20/10 center and this is really considered a down season for him, especially since last season he was a 25/9 player and was the leading MVP candidate before he got injured averaging a near 28 and 10.

But I guess we'll agree to disagree, because you obviously feel very high on Bynum (which I do as well, I feel he'll be a Top 3 center in the league, better than Yao possibly in the future) but you obviously feel he'll be a MUCH better player than 25 and 10 in his future which Yao was last season

[KobeFarmarEra]

What does that have to do with anything? I said Yao's Rockets have generally been a better defensive team than the Bynum anchored Lakers. I'd never compared Yao to prime Shaq because that'd be foolish.

My bad, I misread your post.

But the thing is, Bynum really wasn't the anchor his first two season due Phil Jackson yanking him around giving him sporadic minutes.

The only real reliable data we could use is this season and Lakers/Rockets defense aren't too far apart from a field goal % standpoint.

Total points don't really mean much because the Lakers run the ball more than the rockets which leads to more possesions for both teams. Although, the Lakers point differential is superior. I think it's around +5 or 6.

Enough that he made the Forbes list as one of the richest men in the world, as a billionaire. The revenue Yao brings is unmatched.

Most owners of NBA teams have multiple sources of revenue, else they would of never had the money to purchase said in the first place. Unless you can provide reliable info on how much he recieves from Yao I'll be skeptical. The Lakers are still worth more than Houston despite Yao. Kobe's overseas revenue is arguably unmatched - at least you could argue that since he is the most popular basketball athlete in china in terms of Jersey/shoe sales.

I seriously don't know what you expect Bynum to be considering Yao is a 20/10 center and this is really considered a down season for him, especially since last season he was a 25/9 player and was the leading MVP candidate before he got injured averaging a near 28 and 10.

Couldn't get it done in playoffs. I question Yao's ability in clutch/big games. I know you feel I'm underrating Yao's defense but I don't think Yao forces his will onto the other team, both offensively/defensively like some of the other great big men have in the past. You know the 'it' factor. Something The Dream had that I don't see in Yao at all.

No I'm not 'expecting' that from Bynum (which is a tall order I know), but if he keeps improving (at his current rapid pace) I think he has the potential to be an insanely efficient dominant two way player. Although he needs to prove he has 'it' in the playoffs/big games which he hasn't as of yet.

But when I made the thread I wasn't considering the 'revenue' factor into equation. But yeah, from that standpoint it would make sense to take Yao over Bynum if the owner gets an insane cut from all that HUGE, uncharted internet market.

[TMACFORMVP]

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Couldn't get it done in playoffs. I question Yao's ability in clutch/big games. I know you feel I'm underrating Yao's defense but I don't think Yao forces his will onto the other team, both offensively/defensively like some of the other great big men have in the past. You know the 'it' factor. Something The Dream had that I don't see in Yao at all.

No I'm not 'expecting' that from Bynum (which is a tall order I know), but if he keeps improving (at his current rapid pace) I think he has the potential to be an insanely efficient dominant two way player. Although he needs to prove he has 'it' in the playoffs/big games which he hasn't as of yet.

But when I made the thread I wasn't considering the 'revenue' factor into equation. But yeah, from that standpoint it would make sense to take Yao over Bynum if the owner gets an insane cut from all that HUGE, uncharted internet market.

I agree with that also. Yao's mental and at times physical toughness can really be questioned. I don't think he'll ever be on a Hakeem level, was just arguing that I think he's a better defender than people give him credit for. Superstars are made in the playoffs and frankly Yao hasn't produced there, rather been a disappointment.

If Bynum has a huge playoff series and the Lakers advance, I'd gladly say Bynum could be a better player even this season, but until then I'd take Yao

As to Yao's value, guys like Battier, Hayes, Francis, Scola and Wells have their own shoe contracts from China.

[wezbo]

I think we can say that its not entirely yaos fault for never passing the 1st rd, when t-ma shoudl also take blame for it, plus bynum isnt ready for big games, just look at what Perkins does to him

[KobeFarmarEra]

I think we can say that its not entirely yaos fault for never passing the 1st rd, when t-ma shoudl also take blame for it, plus bynum isnt ready for big games, just look at what Perkins does to him

I agree.

In order for the Lakers to go anywhere Bynum has to have the ability to step up in big games and especially in games where Kobe doesn't have it. Similar to what Kobe did (at 21/22) when he was winning titles with Shaq.