BOTTOM LINE: WE NEED ANOTHER STAR

[tsherkin]

Michael Redd is NOT , I repeat is NOT the answer to this teams 2/3 position.. He's a volume shooter, and needs 20 shots to average 20+ points a game. You guys think Bargnani's not getting enough touches now, sheeeeiiit with Redd and Ford on the floor at the same time, he'll never see the ball.

I'd point out that at the percentages he's shooting, he's not just a chucker.

He's taking 17 shots a game, not 20, so you're already starting off on the wrong foot.

534 shots divided by 31 games = 17.23 FGA/g. 20-17.23 = 2.77 shots that you added to his average.

Moreover, he's shooting 44% from the floor, 37% from downtown and 85% from the line. Does he shoot a lot? Yes, yes he does. Redd takes 5.23 3PA a game...

BUT!

He still draws 7.35 FTA/g, which is not far from what Chris Bosh does. He slashes; he was a GREAT slasher before he was anything as a shooter, it's what he was known for out of college and it's not something he's since abandoned.

And while 71% of his shots are jumpers, mind that he's hitting an eFG% of 46.8% on those jumpers; in short, he's one of the best shooters in the league. He's got the 6th-highest PER in the league among SGs and has been a good passer and low turnover guy, too.

Michael Redd would be an outstanding addition.

It'll never happen, I mean he didn't even want to sign with the Cavs to play alongside Lebron, so why should he want to come here?

But if, by some miraculous circumstance, the Raptors acquired Redd, I'd be thrilled, not miffed; Redd would be an excellent addition to the team.

[tsherkin]

You guys think Bargnani's not getting enough touches now, sheeeeiiit with Redd and Ford on the floor at the same time, he'll never see the ball.

Incidentally, Bargs can't hit a damned thing from inside the arc, so why would we give him MORE touches than the ~ 3 3PA/g he's getting now?

[dino-mite!]

Totally agree with the title of the this thread. I actually called into Hoops a while ago with Sherm and the White guy telling them this.

It was before the game in Boston where we lost by 9 million (without Bosh and Bargnani). But it was after we beat Cleveland (the game where Lebron and Bosh didn't play).

I said we are a better team then Cleveland if you take Lebron and Bosh out of the equation (clearly evident after the game that was just played). But with Lebron and Bosh in the lineup, Cleveland is better - why? - because Lebron is that much better the Bosh.

Everybody said Boston doesn't have a bench. And frankly, put our bench guys against their bench guys, and more often then not I bet our guys would win. But that never happens. Boston's bench is better then our bench because one or even two of their big 3 will be on the floor also. The all stars make everybody else better.

You can't always count on your average (or slightly above average) bench guys to bring it every night (evident as to why Mitchell can't settle on a rotation). But you can depend on the stars.

[andyo]

I'd say that, realistically, Marion, Diaw, Marvin Williams, Hedo Turkoglu can be great additions.

[msklifesux__]

free agency is really good this summer. That wish shall be fulfilled..

[dino-mite!]

I'd say that, realistically, Marion, Diaw, Marvin Williams, Hedo Turkoglu can be great additions.

None of those players can break people off the bounce and create his own shot - something we sorely miss without TJ.

I say we need to aim higher. I say Joe Johnson would be an amazing fit.

[grimlock]

what's the point if smitch won't use him? he refuses to go to bosh, another super star would be wasted with moon, kapono, delfino, and parker taking all the shots

Agreed, We need to trim this roster, because 5 good guys playing for the same minutes is not the way to develop chemistry on a team.

[AB_21]

BOTTOM LINE: This fanbase is overreacting and using one game as how the entire season has been going.

[Hendrix]

What is Redd's trade value? Wonder if this line up is possible?

Ford
Redd
Magette
Bosh
Dalembert


Regardless, I don't think this team is a finished project, and does have some glaring problems in a good wing player, and rebounding.

[dino-mite!]

BOTTOM LINE: This fanbase is overreacting and using one game as how the entire season has been going.

I don't think its an over-reaction. There is more then one game to base this thread's discussion on.

[Darrick Martin]

What is Redd's trade value? Wonder if this line up is possible?

Ford
Redd
Magette
Bosh
Dalembert


Regardless, I don't think this team is a finished project, and does have some glaring problems in a good wing player, and rebounding.

LOL.. I don't think Bargs, Caldy, plus the bench players have enough pull to obtain Redd, Magette, Dalembert

I think this lineup would be better

CP3
Kobe
LBJ
Duncan
D12

[Hendrix]

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LOL.. I don't think Bargs, Caldy, plus the bench players have enough pull to obtain Redd, Magette, Dalembert

I think this lineup would be better

CP3
Kobe
LBJ
Duncan
D12

Yeah i like your lineup. lol.

I don't have a clue what Redd's value is, but I imagine it has dropped since the Bucks are trying to get rid of him.

On the trade board people liked a Garbo+Caldy for Magette. On the 76r's board they seem to want expirings mostly for Dalembert, and were talking about a Rasho+Dixon+future 1st. I don't know if some of Bargnani, Parker, Kapono, Moon would be enough value wise to get Redd. Really have no idea what they are looking for.

[RapsVC15]

Redd's just another jump shooting no defense kind of guy we need to stay away from. All I see is a jump shooter who's good at pretty much nothing else. On top of that he's got a 90 million dollar contract. Pass. Ron Artest on the other hand, is exactly what we need from our starting 3.

[RapsBulls4evr]

Redd or Corey would be pretty nice additions, better than what we currently have for sure at the SF/SG position.

Redd (Don't his contract though): http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... ayerId=692

Corey: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... ayerId=497

OR

RJ?: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=1006

[tsherkin]

Redd's just another jump shooting no defense kind of guy we need to stay away from. All I see is a jump shooter who's good at pretty much nothing else.

Then you should probably actually watch a Bucks game sometime.

That said, we need two things; we need a wing scorer who can go inside and out AND we need a center... even someone like Diop would be a PHENOMENAL addition, since he (unlike Rasho) could keep up with the running game.

[jsbola]

Am I missing something here? Redd's name keeps coming up, are the bucks taking offers for him? I dont get why they would trade him.

[Uncle Hare]

You simply need patience. This project started just one year and a half ago, and it's still under construction. "we need another star" makes no sense. Everyone need another star, every team in every country in the world. But BC has a project, and this team is still a work in progress. Once the work is finished, then say"we need this and this to complete the work" will make sense. But "we need a star", now, is completely pointless, unless it means "we need a star, so let's grow a star from the players we have"; well, if this is the case, the question is if you have the right staff to grow a star.

[tsherkin]

Am I missing something here? Redd's name keeps coming up, are the bucks taking offers for him? I dont get why they would trade him.

No, Redd isn't likely to be going anywhere. He stuck around to get paid and now he's got a large contract that isn't too appetizing even though he's a very good player. I was merely responding to an incorrect comment made about his game.

[tsherkin]

You simply need patience. This project started just one year and a half ago, and it's still under construction. "we need another star" makes no sense. Everyone need another star, every team in every country in the world. But BC has a project, and this team is still a work in progress. Once the work is finished, then say"we need this and this to complete the work" will make sense. But "we need a star", now, is completely pointless, unless it means "we need a star, so let's grow a star from the players we have"; well, if this is the case, the question is if you have the right staff to grow a star.

We have no players who can develop into stars of the type we need.

EDIT: See italics; Bargnani is never going to be a significant rebounder, nor a post scorer. We need a 2/3 scorer and a significant rebounding presence who's athletic enough to play the running game; we don't have guys who can do that for us, not at a star level.

[Uncle Hare]

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We have no players who can develop into stars of the type we need.

EDIT: See italics; Bargnani is never going to be a significant rebounder, nor a post scorer. We need a 2/3 scorer and a significant rebounding presence who's athletic enough to play the running game; we don't have guys who can do that for us, not at a star level.

You'll never know 'till you trie. I've been watching Bargnani for 4 years, and I assure you that he has an incredible capacity to improve, associated to playing time. Formerly he was a nice shooter with a lot of quickness for his size; in two years he become a also a very good defender, a decent rebounder and a great clutch player.
I really can't see why he couldn't become a post player. He has the size, he has the touch, he has the coordination, he surely has the will to become a better player. But he can't become a post player if no one teach him how to do it during training, or if he never get the ball in the paint when he's in the post.
Maybe he'll never become a great rebounder, but he can become an oustanding offensive superstar and a good defender. It's not what you need? Well, it's a better trade material a useless superstar than an anonymous bench player, isn't it?