Offers for Jack, Outlaw, & Draft Picks

[candy for lunch]

Outlaw is finally starting to develop into a nice player and we just signed him to a new contract. I don't think we'd just throw that all away. KP is smarter than that

[RoxFan08]

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There are too many flaws with this trade for me to even begin to state..If we were going to make a trade (which I highly doubt will happen) it would be to trade depth in order to bring in a big name player..So we would have to be bringing less players back then we are dealing out...

I could see this deal as interest to us if we are dealing with Houston:

Blazers trade: Josh McRoberts and Taurean Green

Rockets Trade: Aaron Brooks

This is an example of the fundamental flaw most Portland fans have in trade ideas: They think they can get good players for their extras. You have to give value to get value. Brooks is playing well. McRoberts and Green aren't even playing. And no amount of future 2nd round picks is going to change that.

[IggyTheBEaST]

Andre Miller

[Bustabucket]

doesnt shawne williams have a history with marijuana?

[NBAMAN2006]

Andre Miller

Wow. That would be hideous for Portland.

[Simulack]

I personally think Redd could be a very solid addition to the Blazers roster, the problem is that he plays the same position as Roy. I don't know if he is capable of defending SFs or what, I assume he is at least capable...but I don't know. So that alone makes it somewhat of a stretch.

I think his shooting would be a stupendous addition in Portland, but I just can't see Portland trading away enough to get him considering how well Webster and Jones have been playing at SF and that both are still relatively young (Webster especially).

Well, he isn't capable of defending SG's either so I'm not sure how important the "guarding SFs" concern is.

I might be in the minority of Bucks fans but I'd actually trade Redd just for Outlaw, Lafrentz and Portland's 2008 first.

I understand Potland's hesitation. In addition to wondering how Redd and Roy can co-exist, I'd also be worried about team chemistry particularly with adding a guy who is used to being the alpha-dog but wouldn't be the go to guy on your roster. Its also adding a bunch of salary which gives you less space to sign your own young talent down the road since Redd's got 3 years left on his deal after this.

Plenty of sensible reasons to be against as a Portland fan even though its a good deal talent wise.

[breaker91]

I like Redd as a player, but his contract is the biggest reason why I wouldn't want him on the Blazers. $15 million per year for a lights out shooter who doesn't give you much else if his shoot isn't falling is too much to pay for a team like the Blazers. I wouldn't want max money tied up on Redd considering the Blazers will have to resign Roy and LMA and consider what to do with Travis, and Webster contract wise all before Redd's deal is up.

[Wizenheimer]

I like Redd as a player, but his contract is the biggest reason why I wouldn't want him on the Blazers. $15 million per year for a lights out shooter who doesn't give you much else if his shoot isn't falling is too much to pay for a team like the Blazers. I wouldn't want max money tied up on Redd considering the Blazers will have to resign Roy and LMA and consider what to do with Travis, and Webster contract wise all before Redd's deal is up.

the bit about him not giving much else if his shot isn't falling is accurate.

The part about him being a "lights-out" shooter is not though. 44% from 2pt range and 37% from 3pt range isn't really lights out. He's not significantly better then either James Jones or Martell Webster career-wise from 3pt range. He is a volume shooter though, which may not be the best fit on portland's team. He also turns the ball over a lot.

This trade over-rates Redd's projected value to portland and underates Outlaw's actual value.

And redd's contract is an albatross.

Portland's GM easily says no.

[skones]

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What you neglect to mention is the difference between putting up 10 ppg like Webster and Jones and 24+ like Redd being the number one option on offense.

[DeezXXnutZ]

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What you neglect to mention is the difference between putting up 10 ppg like Webster and Jones and 24+ like Redd being the number one option on offense.

And look how much better a team plays then your weak one man army....

[skones]

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And look how much better a team plays then your weak one man army....

Did I say Milwaukee had a better team?

[old rem]

Travis Outlaw should be untouchable. Not only is the guy a freak athlete but he's put in tons of work on his jumper to the point where it's becoming automatic and it's impossible to block. A few years down the line I could see him easily averaging 20+ pts a game while playing great defense on the other end.

T Outlaw has made nice progress..but not every guy who goes from scrub to a 10 a game rotation player will EVER be a 20 a game scorer. 20 pt guys in the NBA are not in abundance.

[old rem]

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the bit about him not giving much else if his shot isn't falling is accurate.

The part about him being a "lights-out" shooter is not though. 44% from 2pt range and 37% from 3pt range isn't really lights out. He's not significantly better then either James Jones or Martell Webster career-wise from 3pt range. He is a volume shooter though, which may not be the best fit on portland's team. He also turns the ball over a lot.

This trade over-rates Redd's projected value to portland and underates Outlaw's actual value.

And redd's contract is an albatross.


So....what "star" does Port give a couple bench guys and get?

Portland's GM easily says no.

[Wizenheimer]

What you neglect to mention is the difference between putting up 10 ppg like Webster and Jones and 24+ like Redd being the number one option on offense.

I see you rounded up from 23.4 to 24 to try and make a case. I'll round down to 23 to make mine...and I'll be more 'accurate'.

Portland traded away a 23/gm scorer who also happened to grab 10 rebounds a game because they knew he didn't fit their team concept. Those 23 points came at a cost that resulted in portland being a weaker team. NY fans are realizing that now.

I'm not saying Redd is Zach-bad as a stat stuffer. But you said he was doing what he's doing as the "number 1 option". Portland has Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and will add Oden next season. They don't need a 'number one option', but rather players that complement the team they're building. Perhaps Redd could do that, and perhaps not. But they know that Outlaw and Webster do. And the two of them (they were traded for Redd in one scenario) are averaging over 23 pts a game...just like Redd. And both of them play better defense then redd. Much better.

Furthermore, portland still has the option of developing substantial cap-space in the 2009 off-season. Trading for Redd would eliminate that.

Redd plays SG/SF. Portland has Roy, Webster, Outlaw, Jones, and will add Fernandez next season. They have quality and depth at Redd's roster spots. If they actually do make a trade it won't be to add another SG/SF with one of the largest contracts in the league.

[Wizenheimer]

So....what "star" does Port give a couple bench guys and get?

that's an interesting question on several levels.

First off, it implies something that I think is actually accurate: Redd's 'star' is not bright. Apparently, the Bucks are looking to move him. Perhaps because the combination of his ball-dominating offense, weak defense, and huge contract. Portland was in a similar situation with Zach Randolph last year. They made a trade that was universally panned, but now looks like a great trade indeed for the Blazers. I think the Bucks are hoping for the same, but I don't see a reason for Portland to cooperate.

Especially at the price of Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw, and cap space in 2009. Webster and Outlaw combine to score the same as Redd, and they do so while giving the Blazers depth and versatility. They are also easily superior to redd on the defensive end.

And redd's contract is huge. I'm not sure Portland would be willing to take that on for a player who doesn't address their weaknesses, while they are looking ahead to the necessity to extend the contracts of Roy, Aldridge, and Oden in the near future.

Finally, it may be that portland doesn't need to add another "star" as you ask. They are doing pretty well right now with the stars they have. And next season they will add Greg Oden and most likely Rudy Fernandez. All they may really need is complementary players and I doubt Redd would accept or excel in that role.

[hermes]

Portland says none of the above are on the market and Michael Redd is not a player we are interested in trading for........