Ramon Sessions

[emunney]

I think that was a bad guess.

[emunney]

so what have las t year's developmental league leaders done this year? is there a great story about a player who spent a year in the d league who is now a star or starter this year?

I'm just wondering for a young player who is not projected as a first round pick if it is better for him fundementally to stay in college another year, or to go into the draft, get drafted in the second round and spend a year in the D league.

I'm a big supporter of the D league. I' m just unfamilier with any D league success stories. To me ersan going fro m the D league to the Bucks' bench back to Europe is not a success story.

Azubuike is playing spot minutes for a winner.

[-Jragon-]

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let me guess, you are also one of the guys saying mo is not a real PG, and he shoots too much, he is all about the stats, he doesnt run the offense, he is a SG in a PG body. All of this is said daily by our members, yet you are too scared because he is young, and putting up great stats. To me, that seems like the perfect time to trade him. We could get maximum value for a guy, that is running the offense way wrong, and not doing good at giving guys the ball.

We have redd, yi, and bogut that should be shooting the ball. Yes, its nice having a PG that can shoot the 3, but redd yi and bogut SHOULD BE the future of this team. not mo

bring in a guy that can play TOUGH D, a guy that can drive to the basket, and a guy that can give our playmakers the ball

Or play Mo at the 2 and watch him flourish

[wichmae]

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let me guess, you are also one of the guys saying mo is not a real PG, and he shoots too much, he is all about the stats, he doesnt run the offense, he is a SG in a PG body. All of this is said daily by our members, yet you are too scared because he is young, and putting up great stats. To me, that seems like the perfect time to trade him. We could get maximum value for a guy, that is running the offense way wrong, and not doing good at giving guys the ball.

We have redd, yi, and bogut that should be shooting the ball. Yes, its nice having a PG that can shoot the 3, but redd yi and bogut SHOULD BE the future of this team. not mo

bring in a guy that can play TOUGH D, a guy that can drive to the basket, and a guy that can give our playmakers the ball

1. The effort is sparatic but here 75% of the time.
2. He does
3. He does

Not sure what you have been watching but Mo has been pretty efficient and again I was a major critic. YOur advocating trading a 25 year old point who has done everything asked of him (by coaching and teammates on the floor and behind closed doors) to place in a rookie 2nd round pick who is playing good D league ball. I can honestly tell you Mo will iams is in the future plans of the team and management top down is very happy with his growth. Who do you advocate trading for? Andre Miler who statistically shhots more than Mo, and is 6 years older. Point guards dont fall off trees and I am glad Sessions is playing well in the D league but advocatign trading your 25 year old starting point who has played within the team and done whats asked to try and give a rookie 2nd round pick in the D league playing time is crazy talk...

[wichmae]

so what have las t year's developmental league leaders done this year? is there a great story about a player who spent a year in the d league who is now a star or starter this year?

I'm just wondering for a young player who is not projected as a first round pick if it is better for him fundementally to stay in college another year, or to go into the draft, get drafted in the second round and spend a year in the D league.

I'm a big supporter of the D league. I' m just unfamilier with any D league success stories. To me ersan going fro m the D league to the Bucks' bench back to Europe is not a success story.

Biggest "D" league success story is probably Mikki Moore.

[-Jragon-]

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Biggest "D" league success story is probably Mikki Moore.

So far... The D league is still new. In the future, competition will become better, coaching will improve, and the D league will be counted on more heavily.

[wichmae]

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So far... The D league is still new. In the future, competition will become better, coaching will improve, and the D league will be counted on more heavily.

correct

[wichmae]

but back to the original thought of Ramon...

He plays tomorrow night.

[Wade-A-Holic]

As far as I'm concerned, if the Bucks coaching staff or Larry felt that Ramon was any better at this point than Ivey or Bell or had ANYTHING to offer us, he'd be up here. There are jobs on the line. The Bucks don't have the luxury of keeping talent down in the D-League right now.

[EastSideBucksFan]

As far as I'm concerned, if the Bucks coaching staff or Larry felt that Ramon was any better at this point than Ivey or Bell or had ANYTHING to offer us, he'd be up here. There are jobs on the line. The Bucks don't have the luxury of keeping talent down in the D-League right now.

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[paulpressey25]

When I think of D-League I think of Pape Sow who was putting up Karl Malone type numbers 25/12 a year or two ago.....I'm not sure if he's still on Toronto's roster and am too lazy to look it up.

I don't think they want to call the guy up until they can guarantee him 15mpg at least.....

[wichmae]

Sow is in the CBA I think

[emunney]

Sow broke a vertebrae in his back in 2006 Summer League practice, I think he's in Italy now.

[midranger]

re: defensive effort from Mo.

He has had some great defensive games this year IMO. He struggles in the pick and roll because he's small, and because most of our help guys suck at defending it as well. However, he gives good effort on that side of the ball. Rarely do you see him fail to run at a guy with a hand up. With Redd, thats pretty much every play.

[midranger]

Also, our own Bobby Simmons is a D-League success story.

And I tend to agree, that as the coaching and structure of those teams gets a little better, so too will the call-ups. I think the biggest problem it faces is that its largely a "small-fry" league. This is because any big man worth anything is suiting up in the NBA. This allows the guards to dominate the action in the D-League. Also, there is no defense played. It's as though there is a gentleman's agreement between the players to help boost eachother's stats. Like Tim Thomas and Austin Croshere in that one playoff series.

[redd022]

This is the 4th straight year Mo has played an average over 25 min per game. The 5th straight year redd has been a starter for us, and this is the 3rd year bogut has been starting for us. We have been inconsistent with the SF and PF positions, but that combo of them 3 should not bring us this poorly of play.

We can not trade bogut, and we can not trade yi. Them 2 ARE the future of the milwaukee bucks, along with redd in my opinion. I think we either have to trade redd or mo, both demanding huge contracts. I do not think we should trade redd. Mo, IMO is the odd man out.

I am not saying mo is playing poorly, i just think we need a guy that is not shoot 1st. Bring in a young guy (a young tj ford would be ideal), to dish the ball out.

trade simmons for nothing, and right there we save 15-20 million for each of the next 4-5 years.

pick up another vet SF to play with mason (when healthy), and then we are looking good with salary

[wichmae]

This is the 4th straight year Mo has played an average over 25 min per game. The 5th straight year redd has been a starter for us, and this is the 3rd year bogut has been starting for us. We have been inconsistent with the SF and PF positions, but that combo of them 3 should not bring us this poorly of play.

We can not trade bogut, and we can not trade yi. Them 2 ARE the future of the milwaukee bucks, along with redd in my opinion. I think we either have to trade redd or mo, both demanding huge contracts. I do not think we should trade redd. Mo, IMO is the odd man out.

I am not saying mo is playing poorly, i just think we need a guy that is not shoot 1st. Bring in a young guy (a young tj ford would be ideal), to dish the ball out.

trade simmons for nothing, and right there we save 15-20 million for each of the next 4-5 years.

pick up another vet SF to play with mason (when healthy), and then we are looking good with salary

the problems withn your thoughts is that there is no one who is "available" that meets your criteria. Im also not sure how much younger than 25 years old you want to go....

Mo averages less shot attempts than "pass first" ponit guards Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich and Devin Harris. Shoots a better percentage than the only non star leading him in assists Jamaal Tinsley while shooting 4 more per game. He also is 9th in point guards in assists beating out Miller, Felton, Tony Parker, Jameer, Hinrich and the list goes on. The only guy you could make an arguement that is feasible is Jose Calderon whom Toronto wouldn't move because of the issues with Ford. Before the season I would have been on board with this in finding a better fit but as of right now and from what I have seen with him on the flor. Mo is the best fit that realistic for the Bucks. He has catered hhis game and his "stats" to exactly what the team needs. I wish he improved more defensively agreed but you cant have everything....

the whole shoot first thing has been completely disproven this season. He does what LK asks him to do. Blame these ideas on game situations and injuries not the player. Mo has been the consummate point guard so far.

[redd022]

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the problems withn your thoughts is that there is no one who is "available" that meets your criteria. Im also not sure how much younger than 25 years old you want to go....

Mo averages less shot attempts than "pass first" ponit guards Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich and Devin Harris. Shoots a better percentage than the only non star leading him in assists Jamaal Tinsley while shooting 4 more per game. He also is 9th in point guards in assists beating out Miller, Felton, Tony Parker, Jameer, Hinrich and the list goes on. The only guy you could make an arguement that is feasible is Jose Calderon whom Toronto wouldn't move because of the issues with Ford. Before the season I would have been on board with this in finding a better fit but as of right now and from what I have seen with him on the flor. Mo is the best fit that realistic for the Bucks. He has catered hhis game and his "stats" to exactly what the team needs. I wish he improved more defensively agreed but you cant have everything....

the whole shoot first thing has been completely disproven this season. He does what LK asks him to do. Blame these ideas on game situations and injuries not the player. Mo has been the consummate point guard so far.

1. when did i say i want younger then 25. i said bring in a young pg. that doesnt mean he has to be younger then 25
2. i never said we should trade for a PG, if you have read my posts before, which i know you have

i said we should do this.

trade Mo
trade simmons
trade CV (as his value is up about as high is it ever will be)

through these deals.. we get rid of 2 ugly contracts, and a guy that we just dont need right now. If we could gain a backup SG, a young starting caliber SF, and a backup PF we would be good

Then, next year IN THE DRAFT, we WILL have a lottery.

Draft either a PG or SF. (depending what we get in trades)

PGs

OJ Mayo
Derrick Rose
DJ Augustin
Jarryd Bayless

SFs

Nicholas Batum
Chase Budinger
Davon Jefferson
Donte Green

[redd022]

or here... to make it easier

GET RID OF THE WHOLE TEAM EXCEPT Redd, Bogut, and Yi

get a top rookie with next years top 5 pick. And we will then be the new atlanta hawks

[schweig]

And we will then be the new atlanta hawks

Is that something to aspire to?