dougthonus wrote:No, this isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying he's average for a PF, if you set the PF expectation level to 0 (which you seem to have done). Tyrus can not dribble the ball well in traffic without getting stripped. I don't see him regularly (or pretty much ever) use dribble moves to evade people.
Well I guess we just disagree about what's average for the position then. I don't know what you mean when you say "set the expectation level to 0." If you're saying that Tyrus is better than awful and that equates to average, not above average, then I disagree. As I've explaining I think he dribbles more often (driving from the perimeter, leading the break) than most PF's and has reasonable success (rarely stripped, rarely loses control of the ball). That's the definition of above average IMO.
dougthonus wrote:I've never seen it reported that he grew taller except from people on this forum who looked at photos at weird angles and just said he looks taller. If he has grown taller, that would be interesting. Given his age, it's unlikely (though not impossible).
I admit it's a little iffy. I'm not sure it's that meaningful that no one has reported it. If he grew half an inch or an inch, that might not be considered too notable to people who aren't obsessing over measurements the way we sometimes do. Most of the picture analysis I've seen centers around pictures of him standing next to Deng (or Wallace, who he's clearly taller than). If those are the result of weird angles then there should be players where he looks shorter than Lu and I can't recall seeing any.
dougthonus wrote:Do you have an example of Tyrus ever displaying good ball handling? I don't know, as I said, maybe I just have selective memory on the subject. or am just hit by limited sample size.
Every time he leads the break, I think to myself "Wow, our PF is leading the break, that's a unique skill that most PF's don't have."
dougthonus wrote:I just remember him getting stripped frequently when he tries to dribble through traffic. I don't recall him using dribble moves to get around people (pretty much at all).
I can remember he trying to dribble past two defenders while trying to lead the break once and getting stripped. I don't remember him dribbling through traffic or getting stripped often at all though. I see him dribble primarily on the break and taking his man off the dribble one on one.
dougthonus wrote:Your benchmark seems to be comparing him to people who also do not do these things, and then saying "See look, he's not worse than zero". I can see calling him average for his position, but that's a large qualifier given his position. I don't think it means he has refined ball handling ability.
If most players at his position are a so called "zero" at these things, then I think it's impressive that he's not.
JeffJordan wrote:I don't buy into per 48 minutes or whatever. LMA averages almost 8 boards a game-- that is good. Denying that is just not being honest.
So is Eddy Curry a good rebounder too. Your argument is essentially that a player who pulls down rebounds infrequently is a good rebounder because...actually I'm not sure what your argument is. 8 RPG has never been considered good for a starting big man.
