Kapono over Moon = much higher offensive output

[J Dilla]

We are so damn lucky to have Moon, I wonder what wouldve happend if Mitchell didn't discover him. Kapono was a waste of a signing and I knew this was a huge mistake by BC. I hope he gets traded by the deadline.

I don't think putting Calderon, Kapono, Bargnani together is a good idea. The Raptors will have zero defence, zero penetration. Bosh can't do it all himself.

[peteyjones13]

If we want to start Bargs we have to also start Moon or Delfino. If we put Kapono in there with Bargs we'll loose too much in rebounding and defence. Also if we start Rasho and Moon we'll lose too much in offensive efficiency. So in my opinion it should be either Bargs/Moon or Rasho/Pono.

That's a valid point. I like going with the 2nd option of Rasho/Kapono, with Bargs the 6th man off the bench. With Rasho and Kapono, we'll be fine with defence and rebounding with Rasho in there, and we'll have one of the best shooters in the world in there in Kapono.

[Kabookalu]

I'd prefer to keep Moon and Bargs in the starting lineup. Moon isn't the Cinderella player that everyone expected to be but he at least provides rebounding. Kapono would be the perfect weapon to use off the bench IMO, if he has a couple plays ran for him where he comes off screens like in the Indiana game he'll become a lot more useful.

[Stealth68]

Moon's turned out to be an inspired choice in starting line-up outside of a 5 game swoon where he played like a rookies... Moon's offense or defense has not been a liability in the last 3 games in fact he's playing his best basketball yet...

He's shooting over 50% from the field with some spectacular dunks... At least 2 blocks per game... 6.7 Rebounds and 11.3 points per game... and more importantly only 1.3 fouls per game in almost 39 mins...

Whereas Kapono is coming up donuts for the last few games... and gets 1.7 fouls in less than 12 minutes... He's giving up more points than he's getting... He cannot create his own shot and Calderon is not the best drive and kick player... Don't get me wrong when Kapono get open looks he's money but he wont get open looks in the current offense... he dosen't use picks well and that's the only option left to get him open shots...

We need a change of pace at the PG spot... We need TJ it will actually make Caldy even more solid...

[Kabookalu]

There's also one thing that people aren't crediting Moon with, and that's his passing. He's shown the ability to create for others when he does drive to the hoop, but in Mitchell's system, if you're open, just shoot the ball.

[RandomRaptorfan]

With an offense of Jose, AP, JK, Bosh and Bargs, everyone is highly capable of hitting open shots.

4/5 players are 3 point shooters...

[Stealth68]

I'd prefer to keep Moon and Bargs in the starting lineup. Moon isn't the Cinderella player that everyone expected to be but he at least provides rebounding. Kapono would be the perfect weapon to use off the bench IMO, if he has a couple plays ran for him where he comes off screens like in the Indiana game he'll become a lot more useful.

I was at the game... Moon was a game changer (16 pts) until LeBron went off...

So was the much maligned Parker... The 4th quarter was just ridiculous and disappointing for the fans... But overall this year there's more to like than not... I trust a long winning streak is coming soon... But giving up leads in the last little while is disconcerning...

[KRANG]

I think we just have to bring Kapono in earlier and let him play off of Bosh more.

[chsh22]

This thread amounts to us wanting Garbo on the court, with Moon backing him up, and Kapono coming off the bench behind Parker.

In terms of good overall offense/defense, I like these lineups:

Rasho/Bosh/Parker/Garbo/TJ
Hump/Andrea/Kapono/Moon/Calderon

With Kapono being swapped out for Delfino when we need some wicked bench D.

Problem is, one of those guys is gone for the season, the other possibly.

[The Letter V]

You can't deny Moon hinders our offense.
You also can't deny Kapono would make our defene and rebounding atrocious.

It's a tough predicament. They are the extreme opposites of each other so by replacing one with the other you create the opposite effect on the other end of the court. The answer imo is something in the middle- Delfino. He's a good enough shooter to keep the D honest, and still gives you good defense and rebounding.

[torsport]

Actually with Moon on the floor there is better offensive production.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07TOR8D.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0708/07TOR7D.HTM

Not to mention a positive defensive effect : They score more and give up less than they score and an opponents EFG FG% is less than the Raptors EFG when he's on the floor. The opposite is true, in both cases in Kapono's case.

[Kabookalu]

You can't deny Moon hinders our offense.
You also can't deny Kapono would make our defene and rebounding atrocious.

It's a tough predicament. They are the extreme opposites of each other so by replacing one with the other you create the opposite effect on the other end of the court. The answer imo is something in the middle- Delfino. He's a good enough shooter to keep the D honest, and still gives you good defense and rebounding.

Problem with Delfina is that he's a chucker and ballhog.

[El Presidente]

The OP is assuming that since Moon is getting open shots, so will Kapono if he plays instead of him. That's wrong because over the last few weeks teams are daring Moon to shoot the jumper and giving him all the space in the world, for Kapono that space disappears.

I do see the point though and agree that the offensive output should be higher, however increasing Kapono's PT will only work if there is a strategy to get him open looks. If you're just going to throw him out there without a plan he's going to get shutdown fairly easily by a half-decent defensive team.

[C Court]

Having Jason Kapono on the roster without any significant plans to get him decent looks is a huge waste, imo.

[Harry Palmer]

According to 82games, we actually score better with Moon on the floor than Kapono.

Per 100 possessions, we average 108.9 pts with Moon on the floor vs. 106.7 with him off, or +2.2 scoring.

Per 100 for Kapono, we are at 105.1 with him playing vs. 110.2 with him sitting.

In addition, our efg% goes up with Moon on the floor, and down with Kapono on the floor.

I don't know where all this discussion about Bargs improving his rebounding originated, but it's pretty safe to say he hasn't.

[The Letter V]

According to 82games, we actually score better with Moon on the floor than Kapono.

Per 100 possessions, we average 108.9 pts with Moon on the floor vs. 106.7 with him off, or +2.2 scoring.

Per 100 for Kapono, we are at 105.1 with him playing vs. 110.2 with him sitting.

In addition, our efg% goes up with Moon on the floor, and down with Kapono on the floor.

I don't know where all this discussion about Bargs improving his rebounding originated, but it's pretty safe to say he hasn't.

Might that have something to do with the fact that Moon plays with the starters and Kapono with the bench?

[Harry Palmer]

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Might that have something to do with the fact that Moon plays with the starters and Kapono with the bench?

Why? That would also mean he plays against other starters vs. other bench players. In fact, given the nature of our team having been (until Ford's injury) winning more bench match-ups than starter match-ups, it would seem that it should be the other way around.

[The Letter V]

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Why? That would also mean he plays against other starters vs. other bench players. In fact, given the nature of our team having been (until Ford's injury) winning more bench match-ups than starter match-ups, it would seem that it should be the other way around.

Well, did we average more points per 100 possessions when Kapono is on the floor, before TJ's injury? Not making a point here, I seriously don't know the answer to the question.

Kapono's game imo isn' impacted greatly either way if he's playing with starters vs bench players. In fact I'd argue he'd be even more effective playing with the starters, because of the open looks he would get playing with Bosh, Jose and Bargnani. On the secong unit, he is usually the scoring threat and defenses lock in on him.