Could we get Bynum for Deng?

[Cliff Levingston]

How about Odom and Farmar for Deng and TT?

Joke?

[ATRAIN53]

a dominant 20 year old center who is dominating the post, while still barely scratching his potential and leading his team to wins, or a streaky wing player who is easily rattled, doesnt lead his team to wins, is streaky , and has probably hit his developmental peak? talk about overrating deng.

agreed, 100%

[Sonny_D1]

Laker fan here, there isnt too many players out there we would trade Bynum for and deng is not one of them. But you guys have a really talented squad. I would love to see Deng or TT in Purple and Gold, but not at the expense of Bynum. How about Odom and Farmar for Deng and TT?

No, but I'd do Wallace for Odom and Crittenton.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

If that's to unrealistic, then we could do Kwame, Crittenton and filler for Wallace.

How's that sound to ya?

[El Hardee]

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No, but I'd do Wallace for Odom and Crittenton.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

If that's to unrealistic, then we could do Kwame, Crittenton and filler for Wallace.

How's that sound to ya?

I would only touch Big Bens toxic contract if young talent was involved. Throw in TT or Deng maybe then we'll talk.

[BR0D1E86]

Could we get Deng for Bynum? Short answer No.

Long answer Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

And no, we

[DuckIII]

a dominant 20 year old center who is dominating the post, while still barely scratching his potential and leading his team to wins, or a streaky wing player who is easily rattled, doesnt lead his team to wins, is streaky , and has probably hit his developmental peak? talk about overrating deng.

While I expressly noted the absurdity of the idea that the Lakers would trade Bynum for Deng, your evaluation of Deng is horribly inaccurate.

[The Evidence]

Bynum is breaking out right now, but its mainly due to getting more minutes this year from Phil. He could have been putting up these same numbers last year had Phil utilizied him the same way.

Big obviously trumps small, but I just don't see him developing into the monster that Laker homers are predicting. He started playing basketball at around age 16, so he really lacks in basketball IQ. Conditioning is also a big concern. Only after being publicly chewed out by Kobe did he make a conscious effort to lose weight. Having worked with Kareem Abdul Jabbar for 3 years, he still doesn't have a consistent jumper or post move.

I'd keep Deng.

[davidse]

Bynum is breaking out right now, but its mainly due to getting more minutes this year from Phil. He could have been putting up these same numbers last year had Phil utilizied him the same way.

Big obviously trumps small, but I just don't see him developing into the monster that Laker homers are predicting. He started playing basketball at around age 16, so he really lacks in basketball IQ. Conditioning is also a big concern. Only after being publicly chewed out by Kobe did he make a conscious effort to lose weight. Having worked with Kareem Abdul Jabbar for 3 years, he still doesn't have a consistent jumper or post move.

I'd keep Deng.

you should watch more bynum before commenting.
you really should.
that entire post sounds like complete guessing by someone who hasn't watched the kid play on more than 1-2 occasions.


anyway, bynum isn't going anywhere, and his basketball pottential is only a big part of the story - but not the whole story.

the story is that he was hand picked at the draft by jim buss - the lakers' owner's sun, current v.p., and future owner of the team.
for him - this is personal.
bynum is his stamp on this organization. it would take something SIGNIFICANTLY better than bynum - to the point of being a no brainer for jim buss to ok a bynum deal, and as has been said - there are maybe 2-3 players in the league that fit that description at this point in time.
everyone else is debatable - and that won't be enough to sway jim.

things can change and there are no guarentees about a young players' development, but it just doesn't seem like a coinsidence that the lakers were extermely high on the kid even when he was barely getting any real playing time or producing, and he defenetly looks like the real deal.

again - had you watched him enough, you'd know for yourself...

[The Evidence]

I have seen him play. Tyrus can do many of the same things Bynum currently does, if he were given consistent PT like Bynum. Obviously Bynum is a legit center trying to lose weight, while Tyrus is a tweener trying to gain weight, but beyond that, I wouldn't pay a ridiculous premium (Deng) in order to land a player (Bynum) who has a similar skillset to someone we currently have on our roster (Thomas).

[Cliff Levingston]

I have seen him play. Tyrus can do many of the same things Bynum currently does

Except control the paint on offense and consistently take and make a jump hook.

[JeffJordan]

Funny seeing posts here from fellow Bulls fans... I swear some of you have never seen Bynum play beyond Sportscenter. He is far more valuable than Deng. ON the flip side, Bynum is one tier below Howard and Oden. Bynum will always be in their shadow.

[Patterns]

I wouldn't trade Bynum anything less than Dwight or Lebron, no way would the Lakers trade Bynum for those 3rd tier stars (Wade, Deron)..

Chris Paul is a top10 player but I wouldn't trade a dominant big for a pg.

Are you crazy? I'd trade Bynum for Wade and Paul in a second. Deron, I might have to think twice but I'd still do it.

[Cliff Levingston]

Are you crazy? I'd trade Bynum for Wade and Paul in a second. Deron, I might have to think twice but I'd still do it.

Bynum for Paul or Wade would be a stupid trade for the Lakers who run the triangle offense; it would marginalize their play making ability and maximize their shooting deficiency (although Deron is a good shooter).

[JeffJordan]

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Bynum for Paul or Wade would be a stupid trade for the Lakers who run the triangle offense; it would marginalize their play making ability and maximize their shooting deficiency (although Deron is a good shooter).

Sounds crazy but Wade and Kobe wouldn't play well together. You are right Cliff. The triangle offense requires a good big man, that can post up and score in the post.

[viceroy]

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While I expressly noted the absurdity of the idea that the Lakers would trade Bynum for Deng, your evaluation of Deng is horribly inaccurate.

how so? earlier this season deng was already talking about how he his contract situation WAS affecting his play. thats not a sign of a headstrong player. does he lead his team to wins? has there been leadership from him this season? nothing at all makes me believe that. has he developed this season? his numbers have stayed the same the last two seasons and in comparison to Bynum deng has nowhere near the potential, nor has he shown the enormous ammount of growth that Bynum has demonstrated. in terms of potential and development Bynum devours deng. its not even close.

[SensiBull]

The Lakers did what we should have done. The MINUTE they lost Shaq, they went out and drafted a young, teachable kid with similar size to a young Shaq, got the best big man coaches they could find, and now it's paying off, even before Kobe's contract has run out.

Is Bulls management telling me that if they put that same effort into Joakim Noah, or even if they had done it with Tyson Chandler, that those players couldn't be AS GOOD AS BYNUM and in a Bulls uniform while they were doing it?

Bynum was what? Was he even a lottery pick? Yet, when I said, years ago, that Paxson made this mistake, I was immediately met with, "Who was he supposed to draft?" which is a question that presumes that the player we should have gotten would be good enough to prove the theory at that time. So, it's like, unless you can name a 20ppg player that was available at a lower pick than Paxson had, the theory is wrong.

False reasoning.

How apparent was Bynum's success when the Lakers drafted him?

Now, we show up all late to the party, offering Luol Deng. Once again thinking we can poach someone else's all-star instead of putting in the hard yards ourselves. It's disgusting! Constantly generating threads about how to get some other team's untouchable players. It's like that buffoon who goes around a party hitting on everybody's wife.

The problem is that this team is so risk-averse. No risk. No reward.

We've got the young players that we need. Now, we need to nuture and develop them, just like the Lakers did with Bynum.

[coldfish]

The Lakers did what we should have done. The MINUTE they lost Shaq, they went out and drafted a young, teachable kid with similar size to a young Shaq, got the best big man coaches they could find, and now it's paying off, even before Kobe's contract has run out.

Is Bulls management telling me that if they put that same effort into Joakim Noah, or even if they had done it with Tyson Chandler, that those players couldn't be AS GOOD AS BYNUM and in a Bulls uniform while they were doing it?

Bynum was what? Was he even a lottery pick? Yet, when I said, years ago, that Paxson made this mistake, I was immediately met with, "Who was he supposed to draft?" which is a question that presumes that the player we should have gotten would be good enough to prove the theory at that time. So, it's like, unless you can name a 20ppg player that was available at a lower pick than Paxson had, the theory is wrong.

False reasoning.

How apparent was Bynum's success when the Lakers drafted him?

Now, we show up all late to the party, offering Luol Deng. Once again thinking we can poach someone else's all-star instead of putting in the hard yards ourselves. It's disgusting! Constantly generating threads about how to get some other team's untouchable players. It's like that buffoon who goes around a party hitting on everybody's wife.

The problem is that this team is so risk-averse. No risk. No reward.

We've got the young players that we need. Now, we need to nuture and develop them, just like the Lakers did with Bynum.

You need to start posting that in the Tyrus threads so that the people unhappy about not taking the safe picks can argue it with you.

[Patterns]

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Bynum for Paul or Wade would be a stupid trade for the Lakers who run the triangle offense; it would marginalize their play making ability and maximize their shooting deficiency (although Deron is a good shooter).

If we get Paul or Wade, we dump the triangle. Forget that.

Kobe+Wade or Kobe+Paul