Kings - Bulls - Grizz: Re-tooling Bulls, Rebuilding Sac/Mem

[Smills91]

Kings deal:
John Salmons


Kings receive:
Tyrus Thomas
Viktor Khyrapa

Grizzlies deal:
Pau Gasol
Andre Brown
Casey Jacobson
Juan Carlos Navarro

Grizzlies receive:
Joakim Noah
Andres Nocioni
Thabo Sefolosha
Adrian Griffin

Bulls trade:
Joakim Noah
Andres Nocioni
Tyrus Thomas
Thabo Sefolosha
Adrian Griffin
Viktor Khryapa

Bulls receive:
Pau Gasol
John Salmons
Andre Brown
Casey Jacobson
Juan Carlos Navarro


New rosters:

Kings:
C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes, Justin Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas, Mikki Moore, Kenny Thomas, SAR
SF: Ron Artest, Viktor Khryapa
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Beno Udrih

Kings get an athletic young big to play next to Hawes down the road.

Grizzlies:
C: Darko Milicic, Joakim Noah, Stromile Swift
PF: Andres Nocioni, Hakim Warrick, Brian Cardinal
SF: Rudy Gay, Adrian Griffin
SG: Mike Miller, Thabo Sefolosha
PG: Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, Damon Stoudamire

Grizzlies turn Gasol into Noc/Noah/Sefolosha who can help them rebuild and play a more up=tempo game.

Chicago:
C: Ben Wallace, Aaron Gray
PF: Pau Gasol, Joe Smith, Andre Brown
SF: Luol Deng, Casey Jacobson, Demetris Nichols
SG: John Salmons, Ben Gordon, JamesOn Curry
PG: Kirk Hinrich, Chris Duhon, Juan Carlos Navarro

Bulls add their post presence and a big SG who can D it up and create his own shots in Salmons.

[Bac2Basics]

I think the Kings are more likely to move Artest and build with Salmons.

[loserX]

Kind of depends what Bulls management thinks of Tyrus. We all know Skiles didn't like him, but I don't know that Paxson agrees.

[Smills91]

Kind of depends what Bulls management thinks of Tyrus. We all know Skiles didn't like him, but I don't know that Paxson agrees.

I don't think Paxson could refuse this proposal though.

He has Gasol/Wallace/Smith as his big man rotation

Deng at the 3(where Salmons could slide to if needed)

Salmons/Hinrinch/Gordon/Duhon as his guard rotation. That's a GREAT 7 man rotation. Navarro/Jacobson give Gasol a couple more shooting specialists off the bench to assist his post game. Bulls are VERY deep to about the 8-9 position.

[rpa]

To be honest I don't think that's enough for Gasol.

[Smills91]

To be honest I don't think that's enough for Gasol.

What if Noah/Thomas were flip-flopped?

Noah to the Kings and Thomas to the Grizz?

[LPKingsFan]

I'd do this trade even if it was Artest instead of Salmons.

[Smills91]

I'd do this trade even if it was Artest instead of Salmons.

No way in hell, I would.

[coldfish]

LOL. This is like the mafia coming in and skimming profits by gunpoint. Why is Sacramento involved again?

Kind of depends what Bulls management thinks of Tyrus. We all know Skiles didn't like him, but I don't know that Paxson agrees.

Paxson commented specifically on this in public after Skiles was let go. He had positive things to say about Tyrus to the point where is sounded like Skiles' handling of Tyrus contributed to his firing.

[gswhoops]

Or the Bulls could just trade for Gasol/JCN alone and not let Sacramento sneak in and get away with highway robbery.

[hermes]

kings do get the better end of the deal here

[BR0D1E86]

Agreed, I can

[Smills91]

Or the Bulls could just trade for Gasol/JCN alone and not let Sacramento sneak in and get away with highway robbery.

How exactly is moving John Salmons for either Noah or Thomas considered Highway robbery again? Last time I checked, Salmons is the guy that's actually proven something in the league over a consistent amount of time, plays both ends of the floor and fills a GLARING hole in the Chicago roster. Where again is this highway robberty for a team looking to add a Gasol and begin winning NOW?

[gswhoops]

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How exactly is moving John Salmons for either Noah or Thomas considered Highway robbery again? Last time I checked, Salmons is the guy that's actually proven something in the league over a consistent amount of time, plays both ends of the floor and fills a GLARING hole in the Chicago roster. Where again is this highway robberty for a team looking to add a Gasol and begin winning NOW?

It's considered highway robbery when you're getting a recent lotto pick for a role player. Salmons is a role player, nothing more. A nice one, sure, but not a guy you trade a recent lotto pick for.

It'd be like offering Earl Watson for Acie Law...sure, Watson is probably better now, but Law has much more upside.

[Smills91]

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It's considered highway robbery when you're getting a recent lotto pick for a role player. Salmons is a role player, nothing more. A nice one, sure, but not a guy you trade a recent lotto pick for.

It'd be like offering Earl Watson for Acie Law...sure, Watson is probably better now, but Law has much more upside.

EVERYONE's a damn 'ROLE' player...Davis is a role player, KG is a role player, Mike Miller is a role player...some have bigger roles than others...Salmons has proven he's a legitimate starting caliber player and could easily be a consideration for all-NBA defensive team at some level, whether 1, 2 or 3. He does that while putting up nearly 20 points a game as a starter...I'd say that's a pretty significant ROLE for this 'role' player

[gswhoops]

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EVERYONE's a damn 'ROLE' player...Davis is a role player, KG is a role player, Mike Miller is a role player...some have bigger roles than others...Salmons has proven he's a legitimate starting caliber player and could easily be a consideration for all-NBA defensive team at some level, whether 1, 2 or 3. He does that while putting up nearly 20 points a game as a starter...I'd say that's a pretty significant ROLE for this 'role' player

Goddamnit, if he can put up 20 ppg and play All-NBA Defense THEN WHY THE F**K ARE YOU TRADING HIM FOR TYRUS THOMAS??? Answer me that. There's plenty of minutes backing up the 1-2-3 (he could easily get 30 mpg) so there's no reason they should be taking such a huge "talent hit."

[gswhoops]

And P.S. calling KG a "role player" makes a mockery of your argument...unless KG's "role" is to score, rebound, play amazing defense and lead his team.

[OGSactownballer]

Actually, although I don't always agree with smills' homerish slant, I do see this as a good trade that makes sense for all sides. Chicago would like to get Pau, and also has a glaring need for a scoring guard with enough size to DEFEND the larger (read more complete) two guards in the league. The guys they have now can score, but not stop bigger twos and that is where they get hurt. The fact is that in a trade you generally have to give to get. In this case, we give up a player at a position where we are one of the deeper in the league right now, and who has proven that given starter or sixth man minutes he is a major contributor to a team - while not taking away shots from the premier guys. This kind of role player is hard to come by. What the Bulls have right now is lots of young, not really proven guys at the four - where they can afford to move some ESPECIALLY if they are getting Pau because he will work best there next to Wallace (who they wil NEVER be able to move now). The Grizz, however, are NOT giving up any talented big guard/combo 2/3 type players because that is where they are just getting strong. This is why trades tend to work better for stars when a third team is included to facilitate - and is thrown a bone in filling a need of their own.

Obviously the Bulls fans want to get Pau while giving up none of their young PF's - but that cannot happen. #1 his proven talent is such that you will have to likely overpay (in your eyes) to get him if you want to solidify your top 7 rotation for a championship push. And #2, there will be no PT available for your younger guys anyway if he comes aboard. That's just how it works. By including Sac in the deal, you get Pau, add a key role player for your team and resucitate your hopes to contend now. Memphis and Sac get young players who may or may not turn into stars, but that is the gamble they take while giving up their proven players.

It seems pretty fair and well thought out to me, and I applaud smills for taking off his homer hat for a little while ( I'm sure it wass tough to put John's name into a trade ).

[gswhoops]

Actually, although I don't always agree with smills' homerish slant, I do see this as a good trade that makes sense for all sides. Chicago would like to get Pau, and also has a glaring need for a scoring guard with enough size to DEFEND the larger (read more complete) two guards in the league. The guys they have now can score, but not stop bigger twos and that is where they get hurt. The fact is that in a trade you generally have to give to get. In this case, we give up a player at a position where we are one of the deeper in the league right now, and who has proven that given starter or sixth man minutes he is a major contributor to a team - while not taking away shots from the premier guys. This kind of role player is hard to come by. What the Bulls have right now is lots of young, not really proven guys at the four - where they can afford to move some ESPECIALLY if they are getting Pau because he will work best there next to Wallace (who they wil NEVER be able to move now). The Grizz, however, are NOT giving up any talented big guard/combo 2/3 type players because that is where they are just getting strong. This is why trades tend to work better for stars when a third team is included to facilitate - and is thrown a bone in filling a need of their own.

Obviously the Bulls fans want to get Pau while giving up none of their young PF's - but that cannot happen. #1 his proven talent is such that you will have to likely overpay (in your eyes) to get him if you want to solidify your top 7 rotation for a championship push. And #2, there will be no PT available for your younger guys anyway if he comes aboard. That's just how it works. By including Sac in the deal, you get Pau, add a key role player for your team and resucitate your hopes to contend now. Memphis and Sac get young players who may or may not turn into stars, but that is the gamble they take while giving up their proven players.

It seems pretty fair and well thought out to me, and I applaud smills for taking off his homer hat for a little while ( I'm sure it wass tough to put John's name into a trade ).

Ummm...including Sac definitely does not land the Bulls Pau considering no assets go between Sacramento and Memphis.

It's basically 2 trades, one with Memphis and one with Sacramento. I think the Pau deal would work but I can't see the Bulls giving up Tyrus for Salmons. I just can't.

[OGSactownballer]

You're right, I hadn't realized before but it is two seperate trades. But the fact remains that if Pau goes to Chicago, Tyrus AND Noah will rot on the bench unless he gets hurt or they leave. This way, the Bulls at least get SOMETHING that they desperately need for them while upgrading big time at the 4.