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Post#21 » by girlygirl » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:00 am

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That's a bit misleading. That's like saying Anthony Johnson is a better point guard than Kidd because he averages less turnovers. Gordon's percentage is lower because he attempts signifcantly more shots. He's a scorer. Hinrich and Duhon aren't. His job is often to make something out of nothing, whereas Hinrich and Duhon attempt 'safer' layups if that makes sense. There's no question that Thomas is a better finisher than Hinrich and Duhon.



I agree it is misleading since some players have far more attempts than others. However, the percentages are still too low across the board. For instance, Tony Parker (probably the best finisher for a guard in the league) is at 62.2% (145-233), while Deron Williams is at 59.2% (129-218) , Baron Davis is at 54% (142-263). Neither Williams nor Davis is significantly faster than any of the Bulls' guards, although both are stronger (Parker, on the other hand, is way faster), so why are they able to get into the lane so much more? Steve Nash doesn't go to the basket that much (71 FGA), but he finishes at an extremely high rate when he does so (46-71, 64.8%) Nash isn't bigger, stronger or faster than the Bulls' guards, either. If these guyscan finish at the basket at well better than 50% rate, shouldn't Gordon and Hinrich be able to do so as well?
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Post#22 » by bullzman23 » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:08 am

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I agree it is misleading since some players have far more attempts than others. However, the percentages are still too low across the board. For instance, Tony Parker (probably the best finisher for a guard in the league) is at 62.2% (145-233), while Deron Williams is at 59.2% (129-218) , Baron Davis is at 54% (142-263). Neither Williams nor Davis is significantly faster than any of the Bulls' guards, although both are stronger (Parker, on the other hand, is way faster), so why are they able to get into the lane so much more? Steve Nash doesn't go to the basket that much (71 FGA), but he finishes at an extremely high rate when he does so (46-71, 64.8%) Nash isn't bigger, stronger or faster than the Bulls' guards, either. If these guyscan finish at the basket at well better than 50% rate, shouldn't Gordon and Hinrich be able to do so as well?


I can agree with that, though I think Nash may be faster than our guards.

That being said, none of our guards are really crafty. None of them have any 'moves' near the basket.

Watch this single clip of Cassell attacking AK 47 for instance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb7sMbsqi1M

Can you imagine any of our guards even attempting to do something like that? I certainly can't? Gordon would have been rejected, Hinrich would have avoided the situation all together and attempted a jumper, and Duhon would have been rejected by the rim.

I've always felt that you need creativity to be a great guard. I sometimes see glimpses of it from Gordon, but they're inconsistent. I'm not sure that any of our guys have the creativity to be really good point guards..
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