4-1 without Redd

[Newz]

How do you guys compare how Redd typically plays with how Bell has done the last two games? Reason I ask is that Bell has obviously done well, but it has been a different "well" from Redd. More defense, more ball movement.

Could we replace Redd with a SG who would do what Bell has done these last two nights and improve our salary structure and maybe get something else to go with it? And not see a downturn on the floor i.e. Jamal Crawford and David Lee? I wish Redd would not be able to play these next two games so we could see this team go up against top tier opponents without Redd.

I like the fact that Bogut, CV and Yi all got decent opportunities tonight on offense and it didn't seem like they were going to have one shot and then it's back to Redd.

I honestly don't care if we trade Redd. But please, PLEASE not for Jamal Crawford if it happens. That guy is terrible.

Jamal Crawford is the anti-defense and anti-team player.

Like I said before, I hope we move Redd or move some young talent for another player of Redd's caliber, just to give the team some direction.

[carmelbrownqueen]

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Well teams shooting over 50% as a team against us also aids in our losing record, as does the back court of Redd and Williams turning the ball over and not able to stop anybody. Our supposed stars are starting, it's not the scrubs on the bench as much as it has been Redd, Bell and Williams that are resposible for our moribid season to date.

We are still turning over the ball with regularity.. that hasn't stopped with Redd on the bench. One of the problems we have had this season is that without our starters producing we couldn't keep ourselves in games. Redd, Bogut, Mo, and Yi HAD to score the ball and play major minutes because our bench was incapable of scoring, defending or even maintaining our position in a game. Our starters would have us in games, and then LK would sub in a bunch of guys that could give us nothing. So during that time is was an opportunity for opponents to build their confidence, hit shots, and hit their stride just by virtue of the bench's complete incompetence. If we can consistently get something from those guys we are a better team on both sides of the floor.

[Newz]

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We are still turning over the ball with regularity.. that hasn't stopped with Redd on the bench. One of the problems we have had this season is that without our starters producing we couldn't keep ourselves in games. Redd, Bogut, Mo, and Yi HAD to score the ball and play major minutes because our bench was incapable of scoring, defending or even maintaining our position in a game. Our starters would have us in games, and then LK would sub in a bunch of guys that could give us nothing. So during that time is was an opportunity for opponents to build their confidence, hit shots, and hit their stride just by virtue of the bench's complete incompetence. If we can consistently get something from those guys we are a better team on both sides of the floor.

[wichmae]

I think the thing everyone has seen with this little streak is everyone is playing within themselves and in the team concept most of the time. Granted there where some real chucks from time to time but I believe the next 10 games will decide this season.

A flop hard you can expect a trade of some sort or an upper management move. If Mike comes back and plays within himself and the team I think they should challenge for a playoff bid.

Add in a deep draft and a majority of our quality players under contract and the team can only go up. I just hope everyone stays bought into this whole concept they got going on....

[upnorthfan]

How do you guys compare how Redd typically plays with how Bell has done the last two games? Reason I ask is that Bell has obviously done well, but it has been a different "well" from Redd. More defense, more ball movement.

Green and Felton, the two starting shooting guards for the opposition the last two games shot a combined 9/24 (37%) from the field. Your counter may be well those guys are nobodies.

True, but Redd his whole career lets "nobodies" go off. I love not having Redd with the team. I feel confident in saying we don't win those games with Redd in the lineup. I know you stat guys who never get your coke bottle glasses off the stat sheet will disagree with me.

To bad, you're simply wrong.

[paul]

The thing is, if Redd played....we would have won all of those games either way...except maybe the Miami game. Redd being gone doesn't give Bell an excuse to shoot well from the field. It's not Redd's fault that Bell and CV suddenly decided to be consistent. And don't even try to argue that him being there makes them play bad. Players around the league can come off the bench and shoot well and do all the things a bench player should do, its just our bench hasn't done that.

If our bench plays well, we'll win. They can do that with Redd here.

I understand what your saying but that statement is flat out wrong. The vastly improved bench play has helped a bunch no doubt, but that totally ignores the fact that the starters (except Yi) have also been playing better without Redd, and the ball movement has been a mountain better without Redd. I like Redd and think we need him to challenge good teams, but seeing us play an inside out game consistantly and share the ball all over the floor over the past few games has been my highlight of the year so far. And yes we've only beaten some crap teams, but don't forget those same crap teams beat us earlier in the season with Redd in. I hope that by watching the play the last few games Redd realises that he can trust his teammates and share the ball more, hit the post more and feed off it. We have far better players individually with Redd playing, but we are playing better team ball without him. I hope he can slot into this style of offense, then we'll be far better.

[paulpressey25]

These last two games have been enjoyable to watch.....but we got hammered by Washington.....so I don't know the answer.

CBQ is correct though....we could use a good ballhandler whether it is SG, PG or SF who doesn't turn the ball over.

I know Redd doesn't technically turn the ball over...but he also doesn't do anything with it during a double team other than chuck typically. And ball movement is limited with him in the game...it just is.

[upnorthfan]

These last two games have been enjoyable to watch.....but we got hammered by Washington.....so I don't know the answer.

CBQ is correct though....we could use a good ballhandler whether it is SG, PG or SF who doesn't turn the ball over.

I know Redd doesn't technically turn the ball over...but he also doesn't do anything with it during a double team other than chuck typically. And ball movement is limited with him in the game...it just is.

Grasshopper, what did you do with my pebble?

[Debit One]

Could we replace Redd with a SG who would do what Bell has done these last two nights and improve our salary structure and maybe get something else to go with it?

Absolutely. We could trade Redd, get a SG in return who is different (more oriented towards defense and ball movement) plus another piece. That isn't to say that those players would be better than Redd, but the may well be better fits on this team.

Michael Redd isn't a bad basketball player, he's just a bad fit with this rest of this team.

[paulpressey25]

-= We could trade Redd, get a SG in return who is different (more oriented towards defense and ball movement) plus another piece. .

Redd for Hinrich and Nocioni.....that would be my dream deal.

[Newz]

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Redd for Hinrich and Nocioni.....that would be my dream deal.

I don't think that they would part with both of those guys.

Maybe Hinrich or Nocioni along with Sefalosha and a lotto protected pick.

[paul]

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Redd for Hinrich and Nocioni.....that would be my dream deal.

And Mo goes to the 2?

[paul]

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Absolutely. We could trade Redd, get a SG in return who is different (more oriented towards defense and ball movement) plus another piece. That isn't to say that those players would be better than Redd, but the may well be better fits on this team.

Michael Redd isn't a bad basketball player, he's just a bad fit with this rest of this team.

Agreed although I'd say he's a very good basketball player. My hope is that he can become a good fit on this team by adjusting his game slightly. Maybe I'm dreamin.

[paulpressey25]

-= And Mo goes to the 2?

Depends on the matchups....do what Dallas does with both Terry and Harris.....

It would be a smaller backcourt, but I'd worry about that later....Mo can play the fast up-tempo PG.....Hinrich can handle the entry pass, half-court stuff with Bogut and Yi.

Noc will beat the crap out of CV to get him to play hard......

[paul]

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Depends on the matchups....do what Dallas does with both Terry and Harris.....

It would be a smaller backcourt, but I'd worry about that later....Mo can play the fast up-tempo PG.....Hinrich can handle the entry pass, half-court stuff with Bogut and Yi.

Noc will beat the crap out of CV to get him to play hard......

I like it, backcourt height is a minor worry but i like it. Kinda leaves Yi out in the cold though, particularly with how CV has been playing lately.

[Max Green]

Redd for Noc and Hinrich is a horrible trade for the Bucks. The Bulls with Redd would instantly be the #3 team in the East battling Detroit and Boston for the Eastern Conference Championship.

[paulpressey25]

Redd for Noc and Hinrich is a horrible trade for the Bucks. The Bulls with Redd would instantly be the #3 team in the East battling Detroit and Boston for the Eastern Conference Championship.

The Bulls wouldn't do this deal IMO...they'd immediately lose all their on-court brains.....the backcourt of Duhon, Redd and Gordon would get eaten up defensively.....

And if the Bulls flourished, I wouldn't care because I think our team would improve as well.

[europa]

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Redd for Hinrich and Nocioni.....that would be my dream deal.

I'm in with that trade too - plus it leaves open the possibility of moving Mo for another piece should that become necessary down the road.

I'm not sure we've learned in the last three games that the Bucks can thrive without Redd as much as we've learned what some of us have talked about all season long - if this team's "others" (to quote Johnny Mac) weren't so God-awful most of the time this team's record might not be so horrible. To me, that's been by far the biggest thing we've seen. Bell is playing much better, Simmons had two good games and Villanueva played well in a couple of games too. That's been the most critical element in my opinion in the two wins without Redd.

Overall, the Bucks have beaten two terrible teams and got absolutely pounded by the only playoff-caliber team they've faced. So big-picture wise, I'm not sure we've seen enough to make a strong statement this team doesn't need Redd. So far, it would appear that in order to beat good teams in this league, they badly do.

The swing through LA, Phoenix and Utah will speak volumes. If Redd misses any of those games and the Bucks win, it will add more fuel to the fire that maybe he should be traded.

[paul]

Redd for Noc and Hinrich is a horrible trade for the Bucks. The Bulls with Redd would instantly be the #3 team in the East battling Detroit and Boston for the Eastern Conference Championship.

They should be now, not sure if Redd changes that much for them. They'd miss Noc and Heinrich

[jerrod]

Redd for Noc and Hinrich is a horrible trade for the Bucks. The Bulls with Redd would instantly be the #3 team in the East battling Detroit and Boston for the Eastern Conference Championship.

so?