Knicks @ Bulls Postgame Thread: Its a very sad day indeed..

Shill · Post #81 » by **Shill** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:23 am

JCrossover#1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, people cry about the lack of minutes and how we should give some of Noce's minutes to him (apart from those PF minutes). He was terrible.
He should have developed a mid range jumper at least, you cant live and die from dunks unless you play below the rim.

Tyrus's jumper has come a long way. He's knocked down quite a few of them this year. How many did he take tonight? One? Two?

He was AWFUL tonight. He's simply not a SF. I hope this kills any talk of him ever being a SF. He looked so uncomfortable at the 3. And if you're going to have him at the 3, exploit the matchup by posting him up. I think we did it once, and he scored on Jared Jeffries.

Thabo should've gotten more minutes.

It's time for the YOUTH MOVEMENT.

I'm drinking Graytorhade. Noah. Tyrus. Thabo. Play 'em.

The Evidence · Post #82 » by **The Evidence** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:24 am

SportsWorld wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wow cool. Scram

Hinrich really shutdown Crawford tonight.

Sonny_D1 · Post #83 » by **Sonny_D1** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:24 am

JCrossover#1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, there are so many Tyrus' supporters that I cant point out...but he got his minutes so they should be happy.

No he didn't. He got 15.

Wallace, on the other hand, got 37.

girlygirl · Post #84 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:26 am

The ROY wrote:I can't agree with ANYONE that think Kirk Hinrich needs to be the bulls starting PG.

This is probably the first season where he just doesn't have 'it' @ all.

Besides Ben and finding out what Thabo can do, I'd trade Du & Kirk. Neither are very talented @ all and it showed vs. Jamal.

I know some posters will criticize Kirk no matter how he plays, but did you bother to watch the game tonight? This was probably one of Kirk's best games of the season. Crawford had some nice moves, to be sure, but he finished with 24 points on 21 shots -- which is a realtively normal Crawford game. Hinrich meanwhile had 20 points (on just 15 shots), 9 assists and just 1 turnover.

It sucks that they lost the game, and I'm sure Kirk could have played better down the stretch. But tonight isn't a good example to use if you want to criticize his play. He and Joe Smith were the Bulls' best players tonight.

For Da Team · Post #85 » by **For Da Team** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:26 am

Hinrich is a pretender PG, with a true PG "with scoring abilities" would go a long way in solving what ails Da Bulls!!

bullzman23 · Post #86 » by **bullzman23** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:26 am

JCrossover#1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, there are so many Tyrus' supporters that I cant point out...but he got his minutes so they should be happy.

In other words, you don't know :wink:

NLK · Post #87 » by **NLK** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:27 am

TTucker>BGordon wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Is that not a travel?

I thought so! Figures, the refs don't "see" that. I betcha Isiah was on the border of being fired. This win here tonight spared him a few more weeks. Somehow, someway, us BULLS FANS WILL GET THE LAST LAUGH!

girlygirl · Post #88 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:28 am

BigUps wrote:If I'm Pax I'm calling every team in the league to see if they want one or all of Wallace, Kirk, Duhon or Nocioni.

Why not ask them if they want Gordon or Deng as well? Why are you singling out those 4?

For Da Team · Post #89 » by **For Da Team** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:29 am

And just so, no one gets the wrong impression, about calling out KH, Gordon is a one dimensional with a low BB IQ!!!!

LIbullsfan · Post #90 » by **LIbullsfan** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:30 am

girlygirl wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why not ask them if they want Gordon or Deng as well? Why are you singling out those 4?

There are no untradeable players on this team, Pax should do his job and listen to any offers for anyone on this team, whatever he can do to right the ship.

girlygirl · Post #91 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:31 am

For Da Team wrote:Hinrich is a pretender PG, with a true PG "with scoring abilities" would go a long way in solving what ails Da Bulls!!

I'm sorry, but who's a true PG with scoring ability who's available? No one...the only "true" PGs with scoring ability (i.e. 18+ PPG) in the NBA are Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Baron Davis (a bit of a stretch to call him a "true" PG, but he does average 8+ APG) and Chris Paul...none of whom are available

EDIT: I'm so TIRED of posters who think it's easy to find a great PG who can both run a team beautifully and score points in bunches. These guys are extremely rare...they do NOT grow on trees. Jason Kidd is a great PG but averages barely 12 PPG and is a career 40% shooter. Gilbert Arenas can score 30 PPG but is a horrible PG...etc etc etc

It's also not that easy to replace a pure scorer like Gordon, although they are a little easier to find than PGs.

bullzman23 · Post #92 » by **bullzman23** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:31 am

girlygirl wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Why not ask them if they want Gordon or Deng as well? Why are you singling out those 4?

Because they've played significantly better than the other four? Come on now. This was Gordon's 'bad' game and he still had over 20.

Post #93 » by **kulaz3000** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:37 am

Its quite simply really. We allowed the Knicks to dictate the terms, win or lose. We went throught the motions tonight, and we got what we deserved. It was a terrible lost against a terrible team. Boylan was brave with his lineups tonight, but he deserves alot of the blame also.

I also don't buy the fact that not having Noc at full strength, and not having Deng was the biggest factor in us losing tonight. Sure, it would have helped but if you watch the game, we pretty much had the game at our fingers tips throughout the whole game, it was ours to take over, yet we didn't. We just strolled throughout the whole game, hardly ever exerting more energy then we needed, downplaying to the Knicks level and as per usual we made costly turnovers at the end of the game.

This is a terrible lose, and seeing our young bigs get significant time doesn't make up for it one bit.

mr.ankle · Post #94 » by **mr.ankle** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:37 am

For Da Team wrote:And just so, no one gets the wrong impression, about calling out KH, Gordon is a one dimensional with a low BB IQ!!!!

I find it funny people say BG has low IQ and never Kirk , Kirk shoota more dumb shots than Gordon . Look at Kirk Hinrich ? He plays terrible defense . He over dribbles alot and shoots alot of bad shots early in the shot clock . His IQ he is worse than Gordons

ChicagoChris · Post #95 » by **ChicagoChris** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:41 am

that move by crawford was nice. i'd like to see a slo mo clip to figure out how he did it. we were up 100-93 and never scored again. very sad

girlygirl · Post #96 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:41 am

Can Boylan PLEASE start working on this team's defense! I saw a quote from him a few days ago that basically said they have been working mainly on the offense in practice because he thought the defense was fine. So why is it obvious to all of us on this board that the defense is NOT fine. They conttinually leave shooters wide open on the perimeter. I think they should institute a no doubling down policy. If Curry or Howard or Garnett scores 30 points but their teammates can't get open look, the Bulls are still more likely to win than if those guys get 15 points and their teammates hit wide open shot after wide open shot! And can they please learn to get back properly in transition???? These are basic, fundamental breakdowns that have just killed this team. They do these small things properly, they are likely )(at least) a .500 team right now.

kobebull · Post #97 » by **kobebull** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:42 am

This group of players are just plain uninspired. They've just been going through the motions since game 1. Losing to the Knicks has got to be rock bottom. I'm embarrassed as a Bulls fan.

NLK · Post #98 » by **NLK** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:44 am

ChicagoChris wrote:that move by crawford was nice. i'd like to see a slo mo clip to figure out how he did it. we were up 100-93 and never scored again. very sad

the nba has to stop with that extra hop crap. to me, that's traveling.

girlygirl · Post #99 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:44 am

mr.ankle wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I find it funny people say BG has low IQ and never Kirk , Kirk shoota more dumb shots than Gordon . Look at Kirk Hinrich ? He plays terrible defense . He over dribbles alot and shoots alot of bad shots early in the shot clock . His IQ he is worse than Gordons

No, Gordon forces WAY more bad shots than Kirk. That isn't to say Kirk's basketball IQ is good -- he needs to stop passing the ball into Ben Wallace late in the shot clock for one thing, and he needs to stop taking that pull-up jumper on breaks, for another. But Gordon (or Nocioni) would easily win the award on the Bulls for taking the most bad shots.

LIbullsfan · Post #100 » by **LIbullsfan** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:47 am

pduh01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

There might be a franchise player in this draft, superstar or not my point is tanking is never was and never will be a good idea. Maybe I should start a separate thread where I'm actually coming from about this tank talk

Well, our board is quick to freak out after any loss. The feelings may change after a string of wins. We are much like sideshow bob....