Knicks @ Bulls Postgame Thread: Its a very sad day indeed..

[bullzman23]

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No, Gordon forces WAY more bad shots than Kirk. That isn't to say Kirk's basketball IQ is good -- he needs to stop passing the ball into Ben Wallace late in the shot clock for one thing, and he needs to stop taking that pull-up jumper on breaks, for another. But Gordon (or Nocioni) would easily win the award on the Bulls for taking the most bad shots.

I definitely disagree with that. Gordon's a scorer so he has to take bad shots, because often he'll create his own shots. Kirk on the other hands pulls up for transition jumpers at least twice a game. That being said, Noce wins the award for worst shot attempts.

[girlygirl]

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Because they've played significantly better than the other four? Come on now. This was Gordon's 'bad' game and he still had over 20.

I wouldn't say they've played significantly better...bettter, true...but not significantly. No one on this team has played well enough on a consistent basis this year to claim a "significantly better" than his teammates award.

[ChicagoChris]

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the nba has to stop with that extra hop crap. to me, that's traveling.

agree. though it happened so fast on that play. looks like he goes behind his back right to left then picks up the ball, hops back to the right and lays it in. probably a travel, but i'd still like to look at it closer.

[fuzion]

as much as I like Tyrus in the paint....I'm not going to play him over Joe Smith. Joe Smith is better right now.

[Rerisen]

Even though Duhon finally shot respectable tonight, it's time for Boylan to bench him or Wallace. Take your pick. This lineup clearly isn't working. End the charade.

[NLK]

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Well, our board is quick to freak out after any loss. The feelings may change after a string of wins. We are much like sideshow bob....

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Normally thats true. But tonight is different. Its to a really bad team. They had 8 wins coming into tonight (granted we're not ahead by them by a lot). Its a team we've had a damn good record with this group. Its the first time in their tenure where they'll split the meetings in a season. Its sign that this team, regardless of Noc & Deng, isn't very strong (esp. with a double digit lead).

[kulaz3000]

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I definitely disagree with that. Gordon's a scorer so he has to take bad shots, because often he'll create his own shots. Kirk on the other hands pulls up for transition jumpers at least twice a game. That being said, Noce wins the award for worst shot attempts.

Just because your the scorer on the team, doesn't mean you HAVE to take bad shots. He just feels the NEED to take bad shots because when our team is in a runt, he is our go-to-player. The reason why he takes those bad shots, is because he isn't creative enough to know when it is a bad shot so he just shoots it regardless.

Our team is full of players who takes bad shots, because we're a jump shooting team. I don't know what the big suprise is, but our team encourages our guards and forwards to take those mid range jumpers on the break, because its a better shot for us than to lay it in, because we're so terrible at finishing around the basket.

[bullzman23]

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I wouldn't say they've played significantly better...bettter, true...but not significantly. No one on this team has played well enough on a consistent basis this year to claim a "significantly better" than his teammates award.

No, significantly better. Despite a poor start, Gordon is now by far this team's best player. Deng is by far it's second best. There's a reason they're not grouped with the other four. It's because they are hands down better.

[theanimal23]

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Normally thats true. But tonight is different. Its to a really bad team. They had 8 wins coming into tonight (granted we're not ahead by them by a lot). Its a team we've had a damn good record with this group. Its the first time in their tenure where they'll split the meetings in a season. Its sign that this team, regardless of Noc & Deng, isn't very strong (esp. with a double digit lead).

I believe we went 2-2 last year vs the Knicks.

Edit: Since 03-04, I believe most of the games vs NYK have been close.

[The Big Dog]

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In other words, you don't know

There was mention of it being a good idea that Tyrus start at SF, but I don't think it's that crazy since Nocioni was dying, Thabo sucks, and the three guard lineup is not great either.

Tyrus rebounded well, but he's too raw for the SF position.

We would've won if either Deng or Noc were healthy, but that's not much consolation.

[bullzman23]

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Just because your the scorer on the team, doesn't mean you HAVE to take bad shots. He just feels the NEED to take bad shots because when our team is in a runt, he is our go-to-player. The reason why he takes those bad shots, is because he isn't creative enough to know when it is a bad shot so he just shoots it regardless.

Our team is full of players who takes bad shots, because we're a jump shooting team. I don't know what the big suprise is, but our team encourages our guards and forwards to take those mid range jumpers on the break, because its a better shot for us than to lay it in, because we're so terrible at finishing around the basket.

I'm not saying it's a license to take bad shots. But when you have two guys in the lineup who simply cannot score, one guy who is possibly having the worst slump in the history of this franchise, you're going to get forced into taking bad shots.

Hinrich isn't/shouldn't be a main scoring option. For his place on the offense (he's now below Smith and Noce in terms of options) he forces a ton of bad shots.

[girlygirl]

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I definitely disagree with that. Gordon's a scorer so he has to take bad shots, because often he'll create his own shots. Kirk on the other hands pulls up for transition jumpers at least twice a game. That being said, Noce wins the award for worst shot attempts.

Why do scorers have to take bad shots? I see other scorers who don't taek anywhere near the number of bad shots that BG does. Now, in BG's defense, most of these other scorers have at least one teammate who can step up and hit big shots of their own in the clutch, somethign that the other Bulls have struggled to do this season. But still, BG throws up too many off balance or out of control shots even for a guy who is his team's main scoring threat.

[PJ Brown]

Wow, there's just no end to the Tyrus spin patrol. Yes, he played out of position, but what does that have to do with his ridiculous errors, both mental and physical? His idiotic goaltends, offensive fouls, and useless dunk attempts were a difference in the game--and none of those have anything to do with the position he was playing on the floor (the ill-advised outside shot likely did, thus i haven't added that to the above list). You've wanted him to play--that's just about the only thing that's talked about on this board anymore. He plays in crunch time, and he sucked. Any other player on this team would not survive such awful play with such light analysis. I wanted us to draft Tyrus, and I still love his talent, but it's getting to be too much to bear. Just for once, can his faults actually be owned up to, not put on the coach, his PT, his position, or other players' poor play?

[Sonny_D1]

the nba has to stop with that extra hop crap. to me, that's traveling.

Not to mention they need to have another discussion with the referees on just how high TT gets on those block attempts. Those goaltending calls were all above the square with the ball still on it's way up. I don't care what anyone says.

[Sonny_D1]

Wow, there's just no end to the Tyrus spin patrol. Yes, he played out of position, but what does that have to do with his ridiculous errors, both mental and physical? His idiotic goaltends, offensive fouls, and useless dunk attempts were a difference in the game--and none of those have anything to do with the position he was playing on the floor (the ill-advised outside shot likely did, thus i haven't added that to the above list). You've wanted him to play--that's just about the only thing that's talked about on this board anymore. He plays in crunch time, and he sucked. Any other player on this team would not survive such awful play with such light analysis. I wanted us to draft Tyrus, and I still love his talent, but it's getting to be too much to bear. Just for once, can his faults actually be owned up to, not put on the coach, his PT, his position, or other players' poor play?

Wrong.

[bullzman23]

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Why do scorers have to take bad shots? I see other scorers who don't taek anywhere near the number of bad shots that BG does. Now, in BG's defense, most of these other scorers have at least one teammate who can step up and hit big shots of their own in the clutch, somethign that the other Bulls have struggled to do this season. But still, BG throws up too many off balance or out of control shots even for a guy who is his team's main scoring threat.

Scorers are forced into taking bad shots. They create, and it's not always going to be successfull. Still Gordon has shot 63 for his last 119 shots, so I don't think you're critique is quite fair.

If Hinrich, Duhon, Noce, Wallace, Thomas, Noah, Griffin, Sefolosha, etc. were my supporting cast, I'd force a ton of bad shots too. Still, if he's shooting over 50% I don't think they're really bad shots.

[JordansBulls]

I can't believe people actually voted the Bulls over the Celtics in the East finals this year.

[eNgIeS]

People are overreacting. All 3 of these close loses are irritating since they couldve easily been wins. But remember in this game 1 of our main players was out and the other one may as well been out with the fever he had

Boylan seems to have the offense right, now we need him to get our defense right

All in all the loss coulda bene worse

Hope everyone's happy Tyrus got to play. Since that's all anybody seems to care about.

I'm laughing my ass off at all those ppl who still pissed and moaned when we won and didnt play tyrus

Happy he got his minutes for his 1-7 shooting now arent cha?

[NLK]

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I believe we went 2-2 last year vs the Knicks.

Edit: Since 03-04, I believe most of the games vs NYK have been close.

well, for the most part, this squad hasn't gotten into a tie with the knicks in the season matchups. Kirk is the only one from that '03-'04 season. If that isn't a sign for us all to realize, we're badly under-talented, I dont know what is. I'm all for moving the Duke boys off this roster. Duke players are good in college, and some really do well in the NBA (Brand, Maggette, etc.). I like Du, but we'll need to free a spot for someone else who can man the minutes who can hit a shot when needed to and get to the paint, put some fear into the defenders (or at least make them react). I guess that same idea can go to kirk as well. I dunno, normally a loss to the knicks irks the hell out of me, but once they erased the double digit lead, i had the sense of deja vu. We need an athletic 3 (hence suggesting moving Deng, since he wants big $, even though his & ben's stock has dropped).

[bre9]

Nobody should be defending Gordon tonight he sucked. He had a decent first half but you can tell he was tenative and he was in his I don't care mode. Then in the 2nd half he was ice cold and had bad shot selections. If he wants to be an allstar and get paid like one you can't have nights off. Allstars bring it everynight, and this why BG might not never become one.