I was at the Bucks game tonight and Iggy's body language at the end of the fourth just read disgust. He is frustrated with this team and with his talent he wants to be somewhere that he can win. With that said, I don't think he feels that place is Philadelphia. Should we wait to see if he'll resign at the end of the year or trade him now and get some value.
If we were to trade for a good PF then we could get a scorer in the draft, because this draft will have PLENTY of scorers. I'd hate to see Iguodala leave but I don't think he is going to resign with Philly and we might as well be able to get some value from him now
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Trade Iguodala
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He's not that good to even care about if he resigns. The dude is a restricted free agent, he HAS to resign atleast for next season. The Sixers won't lose much moving forward if they even waive Iggy RIGHT NOW. His SF/SG position is easily filled by nobodies just look at Toronto... It's not like we're talking about a young Ray Allen or Kobe or even Ginobili, it's freakin Andre Iguodala LOL!
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SendEm wrote:He's not that good to even care about if he resigns. The dude is a restricted free agent, he HAS to resign atleast for next season. The Sixers won't lose much moving forward if they even waive Iggy RIGHT NOW. His SF/SG position is easily filled by nobodies just look at Toronto... It's not like we're talking about a young Ray Allen or Kobe or even Ginobili, it's freakin Andre Iguodala LOL!
Wow - Iguodala can just be replaced by "nobodies". You are on crack my friend. Those "'nobodies" you speak of are guys like Willie Green and Rodney Carney. If you don't think there's a huge difference between those 2 guys compared to Andre, you are nuts.
I see Iguodala almost as an exact replica of Caron Butler. I didn't hear anyone around the league say they thought this guy could become an all-star level player. He came into the league as a solid all-around guy who was known mostly for his D (much like Andre). Over his initial 3-4 season, he started to develop more and more offense...improved his handles, etc (just like Andre has). Then last year, his 5th in the league, Butler took a giant step forward. He became that all-star player. This year, he has taken an even bigger step with Arenas out. It took him 6 years, but he has now even developed a 3 pt shot after being prettybad at that for 5 years.
Andre and Butler are nearly the same size, have basically the same skill set and their numbers to this point in their career are very similar. There is no reason to think Andre can't become an all-star and a legit #2 on a very good team just like Butler is now. Guys all the time add to their skill set as their careers go on. Look at Michael Redd. Who thought this guy was going to become the big-time scorer he is after his 3rd season? No one thought he was going to be much of anything when he came out of college.
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Caron has and has ALWAYS possessed something that Iggy doesn't, and that is the ability to break down his defender in the halfcourt and dunk on anybody standing in the way. When have we seen Iggy do that? I have seen Caron do that since UConn. Iggy is a full court ACE but just a halfcourt offensive facilitator, jump shooter, and a VERY soft and average penetrator to the basket. And bottomline Caron Butler is replaceable you don't see the teams that let him go crying over him leaving, one team won a Championship and the other is turning into a contender. Things will DEFINITELY move STRAIGHT AHEAD without Iggy onboard.
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Let him go
Let him go
I would shop him to see what his value is.
Dala is a major whiner instead of communicating with lou he would rather huff and puff and fall out on the floor like a five year old. When reggie evans makes a mistake, Dala controlls his emotions he fears reggie ,we need fearless players for our future ARENAS ,BRAND,BEN GORDAN,AMARE,MAGGETE ........
Let him go
I would shop him to see what his value is.
Dala is a major whiner instead of communicating with lou he would rather huff and puff and fall out on the floor like a five year old. When reggie evans makes a mistake, Dala controlls his emotions he fears reggie ,we need fearless players for our future ARENAS ,BRAND,BEN GORDAN,AMARE,MAGGETE ........
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Ask good as Igoudala is ... there is something about him that bothers me. He seems to act like he is a super-star and that everyone should be in awe of what he does. In other words, I think he is full of himself. I might be totally wrong about him, because all I am going by is his on-court demeaner and interviews ... I hope I am. But if I am right, I would just as soon cut him loose as soon as possible.
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nate33 wrote:Outsider's opinion:
There is no need to trade Iguadola. Philly is the only team with significant cap room this summer (plus maybe Atlanta). Iggy, is a restricted free agent; he has no where to go. You will probably resign him to a very reasonable contract because he won't get a big offer elsewhere.
Yup.
We're drawing too many conclusions from things like this. If Iguodala's upset with his teammates, that's a problem. If Iguodala's upset with losing, then I have no problem with it. It's really impossible to know without a source, unless he slips up in an interview.
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SendEm:
Since you seem to think you have better scouting skills then every professional scout out there, I'd like to challenge you to tell me who the top 5-7 guys from this years draft will be. Since you already know that Thad isn't going to be great, I guess you should be able to tell us who the all-stars to great players will be from this draft.
So here's what I want you to tell us all. Who are the top 5-7 players going to be when it's all said an done? Let's exclude Durant and Oden since they were by all accounts the clear frachise guys. Who are the next best 5-7. Then I want to hear who the top 5 busts will be. I would say lets limit the busts to only guys picked in the top 20. Anything after that is a gamble pick so they can't really be considered busts.
Next I would ask you to tell me to name 5 relative no names in the leagues who will bust out and become all-stars or better down the line. Since you knew Butler would be mush better than someone like Iguodala based on skills they had in college, this should not be that hard for you.
Since you seem to think you have better scouting skills then every professional scout out there, I'd like to challenge you to tell me who the top 5-7 guys from this years draft will be. Since you already know that Thad isn't going to be great, I guess you should be able to tell us who the all-stars to great players will be from this draft.
So here's what I want you to tell us all. Who are the top 5-7 players going to be when it's all said an done? Let's exclude Durant and Oden since they were by all accounts the clear frachise guys. Who are the next best 5-7. Then I want to hear who the top 5 busts will be. I would say lets limit the busts to only guys picked in the top 20. Anything after that is a gamble pick so they can't really be considered busts.
Next I would ask you to tell me to name 5 relative no names in the leagues who will bust out and become all-stars or better down the line. Since you knew Butler would be mush better than someone like Iguodala based on skills they had in college, this should not be that hard for you.
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sixersinsider wrote:Let him go
Let him go
I would shop him to see what his value is.
Dala is a major whiner instead of communicating with lou he would rather huff and puff and fall out on the floor like a five year old. When reggie evans makes a mistake, Dala controlls his emotions he fears reggie ,we need fearless players for our future ARENAS ,BRAND,BEN GORDAN,AMARE,MAGGETE ........
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are sooooo right. Iggy doesn't cry when EVERYONE makes a mistake. He just cries when people he knows he can get away with it make a mistake. No player should ever cry anyway, I can't think of a prominent player that does that.
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oOme people want us to be the next Atlanta, Memphis, Clippers...
If you want to spend 10 years in the lottery then you draft a player and them ship them out when it is time to pay them. You say- that is not the guy who makes us a contender, so lets just ship him out. That way we stay just as bad, and maybe somehow we draft the next Lebron or Shaq- or maybe we save up capspace and a superstar will come here...
You don't go from bad to being a contender overnight. You keep your good players and let them develop alongside other good players. Maybe you become a 5th seed in a few years, and then you trade some of your young talent (from all of the former lottery picks on your team) for proven talent to push you into contender status.
Its fine to not want to bring in older vets (Miller, Joe Smith, Jamison) to try to pad your win numbers- but you shouldn't dump your young guys who are good just because they are not good enough to make you a contender.
We have the advantage that the salaries of young players have to be lower than vets. Jermain Oneil makes 20 mil while Bosh only makes 13 because he has less years in the league. That is how max contracts work. Even you you overpay Sam of Dala on their 2nd contract they still make half of what the top salaries are in the league. You still have more flexability than the top teams who are 20M over the cap.
Once you have built up to a good but not contending level club you can still make moves to put you over the top- even if you are at the cap. You can end up a good team over the cap and still make moves to become a great team- you just make the moves with sign and trades (liek the Suns or Mavs have done.)
People wanting to dump good young players are just shortsighted.
If you want to spend 10 years in the lottery then you draft a player and them ship them out when it is time to pay them. You say- that is not the guy who makes us a contender, so lets just ship him out. That way we stay just as bad, and maybe somehow we draft the next Lebron or Shaq- or maybe we save up capspace and a superstar will come here...
You don't go from bad to being a contender overnight. You keep your good players and let them develop alongside other good players. Maybe you become a 5th seed in a few years, and then you trade some of your young talent (from all of the former lottery picks on your team) for proven talent to push you into contender status.
Its fine to not want to bring in older vets (Miller, Joe Smith, Jamison) to try to pad your win numbers- but you shouldn't dump your young guys who are good just because they are not good enough to make you a contender.
We have the advantage that the salaries of young players have to be lower than vets. Jermain Oneil makes 20 mil while Bosh only makes 13 because he has less years in the league. That is how max contracts work. Even you you overpay Sam of Dala on their 2nd contract they still make half of what the top salaries are in the league. You still have more flexability than the top teams who are 20M over the cap.
Once you have built up to a good but not contending level club you can still make moves to put you over the top- even if you are at the cap. You can end up a good team over the cap and still make moves to become a great team- you just make the moves with sign and trades (liek the Suns or Mavs have done.)
People wanting to dump good young players are just shortsighted.
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The Sixer Fixer:
I don't watch college basketball anymore. I did watch it back when Caron was playing and DEFINITELY when AI was at Georgetown so I don't have mental footage of college players of the last lets say 7+ years stored in my head. I have to go off of internet footage scouting reports and things like Summer League games or their NBA games. With that said going into this past draft the three names that stuck out to me were Kevin Durant, Nick Young and Glen Davis. I knew after watching them play in college, reading the scouting reports and seeing highlight footage that those three players were going to have VERY lengthy NBA careers baring injury. In 2006 Ronnie Brewer and Rondo were the players that I wanted for the Sixers. Now wouldn't the Sixers look much better THIS season with Rondo or Brewer instead of Carney? And Nick Young and Glen Davis instead of Thad Young, Jason Smith, Byars, and Herb Hill?
I like the Thad Young pick, in fact I would have drafted Thad and probably traded up to get Nick Young, but I would have drafted Thad in the Sixers position because of Thad's youth and upside.
If Rondo or Brewer were Sixers AI would still be here dominating AND we would have a future, but Carney was a wasted draft and piece to a RETOOLING team.
I don't watch college basketball anymore. I did watch it back when Caron was playing and DEFINITELY when AI was at Georgetown so I don't have mental footage of college players of the last lets say 7+ years stored in my head. I have to go off of internet footage scouting reports and things like Summer League games or their NBA games. With that said going into this past draft the three names that stuck out to me were Kevin Durant, Nick Young and Glen Davis. I knew after watching them play in college, reading the scouting reports and seeing highlight footage that those three players were going to have VERY lengthy NBA careers baring injury. In 2006 Ronnie Brewer and Rondo were the players that I wanted for the Sixers. Now wouldn't the Sixers look much better THIS season with Rondo or Brewer instead of Carney? And Nick Young and Glen Davis instead of Thad Young, Jason Smith, Byars, and Herb Hill?
I like the Thad Young pick, in fact I would have drafted Thad and probably traded up to get Nick Young, but I would have drafted Thad in the Sixers position because of Thad's youth and upside.
If Rondo or Brewer were Sixers AI would still be here dominating AND we would have a future, but Carney was a wasted draft and piece to a RETOOLING team.