Iggy & Sammy

[THFM]

Iggy's Numbers To Date

PPG 19.0
RPG 5.70
APG 4.6
EFF + 19.17

Only 8 players in the league average more or equal to 15 PPG 5 RPG 5 APG

Andre Igoudala
Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Baron Davis
Caron Butler
Vince Carter
Paul Pierce
Brandon Roy

That's the list. We aren't getting any of those players for a trade and I wouldnt' want to trade for Vince or Baron or Pierce because of there age. So why trade Igoudala it makes no sense.

Sammy's Numbers To Date

PPG 11.3
RPG 9.70
BPG 2.6
EFF + 17.71

Only 6 centers in the league average more or equal to 10 PPG 9 RPG 2 BPG

Sameul Dalembert
Dwight Howard
Amare Stoudmaire
Yao Ming
Chris Kaman
Andrew Bynum

So do you still want to trade Dalembert? The only person we can trade him for on that list is Kaman and get a little better production because he gets more points then Daly. Honestly why do we have to find trades for Daly and Iggy so much?

[SendEm]

Since when did 15 5 and 5 become a benchmark for a players success? Call me back with a 20 7 and 7 list because this Iggy comparison to BETTER PLAYERS by way of three numbers in his statline accumulated over 39 MINUTES is very overrated and misleading. Iggy plays 39 minutes a game, I think that all of the years of Sixers fans watching Iverson play 40+ minutes a game have mislead many of you into believing that your best perimeter player is SUPPOSE to log that many minutes night after night. Well in Iggy's case it's doing nothing but padding his little stats. Ginobili has the same statline as Iggy and he only plays 28 minutes a night 19 4.6 and 4.2.

[tk76]

And Manu is as good of a defender, and can switch onto 2,3,4 within the defensive set.

Manu may be a bit higher profile because he gets to play with Duncan and Parker. Put him in Dala's place on the Sixers and I don't see more wins.

Ginobli is 30 y/o and making 9M. He will not likely improve on the weaknesses of his game.

Dala is nearly 24, and we likely can lock him up for the next 5 years starting at 10M/year. There is an excellent chance that Dala will be much mroe valuable to a team than Ginobli when he hits 30 and is in his prime- and if we resign him he will still be under contract.

If someone is willing to trade us Aldridge for Dala I'm all for it- but teams don't give you equal value when you trade away a Swing for a big- and for good reason.

We are not overloaded with talent at Dala's position. No reason to even think of moving him for either unproven talent or 30y/o+ talent.

[THFM]

Since when did 15 5 and 5 become a benchmark for a players success? Call me back with a 20 7 and 7 list because this Iggy comparison to BETTER PLAYERS by way of three numbers in his statline accumulated over 39 MINUTES is very overrated and misleading. Iggy plays 39 minutes a game, I think that all of the years of Sixers fans watching Iverson play 40+ minutes a game have mislead many of you into believing that your best perimeter player is SUPPOSE to log that many minutes night after night. Well in Iggy's case it's doing nothing but padding his little stats. Ginobili has the same statline as Iggy and he only plays 28 minutes a night 19 4.6 and 4.2.

The only person in the whole league getting 20 7 and 7 is lebron...nice job

[SendEm]

Manu is a true perimeter player that shoots, finishes, drives, and dishes the ball. Manu's defense and charge taking ability is as good as any defense I have seen Iggy string together in his career. I would take Manu NOW at 30 on a good team over Iggy. On a bad team like the Sixers Manu would average ATLEAST 23ppg 5 rebounds and 5 assists. I don't overrate a players potential, doing dumb things like that is what people like Mark Cuban do by letting Nash walk in favor of younger prospects. Manu is special Iggy is NOT...

[Sixerscan]

These benchmarks are stupid. They don't mean anything.

And last I checked Iguodala isn't even averaging 5 APG.

[THFM]

These benchmarks are stupid. They don't mean anything.

And last I checked Iguodala isn't even averaging 5 APG.

He is getting 4.6 if you worry about .4 then it's kind of weird.

[joey-A]

I wanna keep Iggy YES. I'm not ridiculous like " Send em " who "
says basically get rid of him now, for squat! However, I also know that Iggy is not a # 1 option, or maybe even a # 2 option. So many times this year I have seen box scores where Iggy has only attempted like 5 total shots going into the 4th quarter ? I mean what the heck is that ? Then, he will take like 8-12 shots in the 4th, when the game is already decided, and we're getting blown out. I mean if only Iggy would have been more aggressive early on in all those many games, maybe we would have still been in several of those blow out games entering the 4th quarter ? Iggy will be much, much better with a dominate PF who commands double-teams. And a PG with a scorers ability. Yes I like Miller, and I kn ow he can score when called upon to. And I wouldn't mind keeping him to if it's possible. But more and more it is looking as if the team, and management does not believe in Lou Williams as a starter at PG. More of an off the bench combo scoring guard. So, that means Philly will look at a PG in the draft. One with great athletic abilty, and one who looks to be a little more aggressive than Iggy is. And have him learn, and play behind Miller a little bit before starting him.


Deal Evans & Green, and maybe even Booth. Sign E.Brand as our Dominate PF next year. Keep Andre Miller, but try to draft Bayless out of Arizona. Great kid with great athleticism, and scoring ability. If not him, then maybe Collison of UCLA. He will be one of those breakout guys once he leaves the UCLA system that never allows anyone to truly dominate in college. We aren't gonna get Rose, so forget that. I love the Texas kid Augustin, but I fear his lack of height, and lack of great athleticism might hurt him in the Pros. And Ty Lawson, some how spells " Overrated " to me.

[bech01a1]

Manu is a true perimeter player that shoots, finishes, drives, and dishes the ball. Manu's defense and charge taking ability is as good as any defense I have seen Iggy string together in his career. I would take Manu NOW at 30 on a good team over Iggy. On a bad team like the Sixers Manu would average ATLEAST 23ppg 5 rebounds and 5 assists. I don't overrate a players potential, doing dumb things like that is what people like Mark Cuban do by letting Nash walk in favor of younger prospects. Manu is special Iggy is NOT...

Yeah, letting Nash walk was an awful move. All they did was use his $ to get younger, get better defensively and make it to the finals something Nash has never, and probably will never do. Man, that was an awful move.

[The Guilty Party]

Regardless of the numbers, I think I get THFM's point and agree that keeping these two players isn't the worse thing in the world. Sam has shown some improvement and has turned me from a basher to a supporter. Iguodala is a solud #2 or #3 guy and should at least be given a chance to play with a #1 option not named Allen Iverson.

I'm willing to give Iguodala through next season to show me what he is and is not. Next season he will be a BYC player and won't be able to be moved anyhow and so I'd like to see his game when he has better talent around him not named Allen Iverson.

[bech01a1]

Manu is a true perimeter player that shoots, finishes, drives, and dishes the ball. Manu's defense and charge taking ability is as good as any defense I have seen Iggy string together in his career. I would take Manu NOW at 30 on a good team over Iggy. On a bad team like the Sixers Manu would average ATLEAST 23ppg 5 rebounds and 5 assists. I don't overrate a players potential, doing dumb things like that is what people like Mark Cuban do by letting Nash walk in favor of younger prospects. Manu is special Iggy is NOT...

Yeah, letting Nash walk was an awful move. All they did was use his $ to get younger, get better defensively and make it to the finals something Nash has never, and probably will never do. Man, that was an awful move.

[Sixerscan]

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He is getting 4.6 if you worry about .4 then it's kind of weird.

I think that just shows how meaningless that all is. This just sounds like something the Sixers PR department would come up with. It doesn't mean anything, cause Iguodala and Dalembert aren't equal to most of those players.

[SendEm]

Once again if you believe the Sixers future is Iguodala then you are too much of a fan of Iggy and not of the Sixers. I'm all for trading Iggy and EVERYONE on the roster to get better, there are vastly more talented players in the NBA than EVERYONE we have on our roster. Andre Miller is the best player on our team, I'm going to stop following everyone by overrating Iggy's "potential" with calling him the best player on the Sixers when CLEARLY Andre Miller is our best player. Iggy is our most valuable player as far as trades are concerned but he isn't the best NBA performer on our team right now.

[Sixerscan]

I have a hard time saying Miller is better than Iggy when Miller doesn't play defense.

[76erinSJ]

Iggy should not get more than 60 mill. Maybe 65. He is a second option. If we have Brand or Amare or Arenas in this lineup next season then you will see how much better Dala will be. We need to trade Miller now to get the most for him. If we keep losing then we are gonna get less for Miller cause teams know we dont need him. Iggy is only 24. He has alot of room to grow. Give him a chance and let 76ERS fans have hope. It isnt like hes Tim Thomas who didnt want to get better.

[THFM]

Iggy should not get more than 60 mill. Maybe 65. He is a second option. If we have Brand or Amare or Arenas in this lineup next season then you will see how much better Dala will be. We need to trade Miller now to get the most for him. If we keep losing then we are gonna get less for Miller cause teams know we dont need him. Iggy is only 24. He has alot of room to grow. Give him a chance and let 76ERS fans have hope. It isnt like hes Tim Thomas who didnt want to get better.

Thank you, no other rookie we drafted besides maybe lou williams has much upside as iggy and people want to trade him. Iggy wasn't a top three pick and being a 9th pick the same as carney by th way he is already beating out a lot of expectations. When he was drafted pepole though he wouldn't be able to start in this league and look at him now.

[SendEm]

$65 million? When has Iggy proven that he is worth more than what Josh Howard and Tony Parker are making? Wow talk about overpaying a player. I wouldn't pay Iggy a penny over $10 per season and I would be negotiating to get him for less. But definitely nothing over $10 million. Any demands from his camp for over $10 million will result in him being traded and us bringing in free agents off of the street like Jamario Moon, Kelenna Azubuike, and Roger Mason to replace him for the league minimum.

[76erinSJ]

Iggy was never meant to be the man on any team hes ever played for, pro or college. He got stuck in this situation and hes trying to be more then he should. When we get a #1 option in here next year Iggy will be able to be who he should be. Iggy is surrounded by a horrible team. He has the worst PF's in the game and 2 of the worse gaurds also. Did you see the pass to Jason Smith that went off his shoulder? He should have caught that. Thats something when I play that pisses me off. Big men who cant catch the pass on a pick and role. Its sad when our best Big man that can catch the pass is Sammy. Give Iggy a PF who can catch a pass and score. Right now we have no shooters. Thats the major reason why Iggys assists average is down. No one can make an open shot other then him Miller and Lou.

[SendEm]

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Thank you, no other rookie we drafted besides maybe lou williams has much upside as iggy and people want to trade him. Iggy wasn't a top three pick and being a 9th pick the same as carney by th way he is already beating out a lot of expectations. When he was drafted pepole though he wouldn't be able to start in this league and look at him now.

Kevin Martin was drafted #26 overall in the same draft as Iggy and he is better than Iggy. Any player that's drafted #9 overall is expected to be a starter in their career at some point. In Iggy's case he started his FIRST NBA game and NEVER looked back so who said that he couldn't be a starter? And as for the Sixers not drafting any rookie with as much potential as Iggy besides Lou Will is the SIXERS fault. How is that a plus for Iggy?

[76erinSJ]

Stop comparing Iggy to players that are on great teams their entire career. Its not fair to Iggy. Howard has Dirk and Parker has Duncan. How is that fair to compare him to those 2? If you were on a team that had Evans, Green and Carney and you had to pass the ball to them and watch them miss shot after shot after shot youed be upset to.