Iggy & Sammy

SendEm · Post #21 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:47 pm

The difference is that Howard and Parker produce while playing WITH Tim Duncan and Nowitzki. Iggy's numbers will do nothing but decrease if he were on a good team. He'd play less minutes and have less touches and he could feel good every game about absolutely NOT being aggressive on offense. We all know that Iggy's natural inclination is to NOT be aggressive on offense. Parker and Howard's numbers would ballon if they were to ever switch teams with Iggy and get to play 39 minutes a night like Iggy.

Post #22 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:50 pm

Iguodala's skills should be even better utilized along side other good players. Just because he wasn't agressive his 1st 2 seasons in the league does not mean he would revert back to being a spectator when he gets some talent to play next to. Prince wasn't agressive offensively his fiorst 2 seasons either.

76erinSJ · Post #23 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:51 pm

Are you so sure about that. Lets see how great Parkers numbers are when he has Carney, Evens, and Green in the starting five with him instead of Duncan, Bowen and Manu.

Post #24 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:57 pm

I wouls not trade Iguodala or Howard or Manu (although howard would be close.)

Over the next 3-5 years Dala would tear it up on the Spurs or Mavs. with all of the shooters and post players, the improved pacing would allow him easier drives to the basket and lots of uncontested jumpers. Even if his numbers went down, he would be one of the stars on those teams.

76erinSJ · Post #25 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:00 pm

We all have to remember here that if your OPINION isnt the same as Sendems then its wrong. Everything he says he believes is fact. If you like the Spurs players so much go cheer for them. But then Im pretty sure you'll start to say Duncan is getting old and that he must be traded cause no one should invest so much into an aging player.

SendEm · Post #26 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:03 pm

tk76 wrote:Iguodala's skills should be even better utilized along side other good players. Just because he wasn't agressive his 1st 2 seasons in the league does not mean he would revert back to being a spectator when he gets some talent to play next to. Prince wasn't agressive offensively his fiorst 2 seasons either.

Prince wasn't aggressive? I can vividly remember him DESTROYING teams with his post up moves. What games were you watching? He was DESTROYING Aaron Mckie and others around the league off of the bench. Tayshaun isn't a go to scorer but he's aggressive. Iggy never gave any defender problems in his life. I can't recall Iggy ever having to make a coach call time outs and switch defenders on him because he is lighting the team up. I saw Larry Brown lose sleep over Tayshaun Prince destroying the Sixers.

Not to lose focus Parker and Howard's numbers would ballon here in Philly replacing Iggy. Iggy just shoots jumpshots in the half court with an average jumper and still averages 19 points. Image what Howard and Parker could average here. They both actually attack the basket AND shoot jumpers...

SendEm · Post #27 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:05 pm

Tim Duncan has lead teams to Championships since his first season. Brand has lead teams to the lottery...You figure it out...

76erinSJ · Post #28 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:08 pm

Brand was on the post Jordan Bulls and and the Clippers. That isnt his fault. http://www.emedicinehealth.com/achilles ... e%20Causes
Why dont u read up alil before you say what caused Brands injury.

philly262 · Post #29 » by **philly262** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:09 pm

According to 82games.com

Parker actually is a worse jump shooter than Iguodala.

Parker just gets to the lane alot easier than Iguodala, and maybe that's because Parker has guys like Duncan, who draws a double team, and shooters like Finley, Ginobli and Bowen waiting on the wings for the kick out.

When Iguodala tries to drive to the lane he has the whole focus of the defense on him because no one is really a threat to make a jumper on the team.

76erinSJ · Post #30 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:12 pm

See the problem is that Sendem doesnt take everything into account. If he actually thinks Parker would be drivin the lane like he does on the Spurs on the Sixers he is crazy. If you switched Parker in for Miller this team would be exactly the same if not worse cause Parkers passing ability is hyped up playin for the Spurs with a team full of shooters. Miller would average 10 to 12 dimes easy on the Spurs cause he wouldnt have to look to score no where as much.

SendEm · Post #31 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:16 pm

philly262 wrote:According to 82games.com

Parker actually is a worse jump shooter than Iguodala.

Parker just gets to the lane alot easier than Iguodala, and maybe that's because Parker has guys like Duncan, who draws a double team, and shooters like Finley, Ginobli and Bowen waiting on the wings for the kick out.

When Iguodala tries to drive to the lane he has the whole focus of the defense on him because no one is really a threat to make a jumper on the team.

Or perhaps Iggy can't drive to the lane because he has poor dribble drive moves. Ever consider that? :crazy:

76erinSJ · Post #32 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:19 pm

Lets see how many times you get stripped of the ball when your the only player the other team is guarding. Teams dont have to guard tight on our other players so they sag and double and triple on Iggy. Did you ever consider that?

Post #33 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:20 pm

For those that are not fans of Iguodala staying here... what is it that you like less: Iguodala the player or Iguodala the potential contract??

Let's say Stefanski gets Iguodala to sign for 5 years/$50MIL (yes, less than what he was offered last summer by King)... would you still want Iguodala gone?

I don't like the idea of severely overpaying Iguodala but I believe Stefanski hates that idea as well. I'm not about to get on board with trading this kid unless it's in a deal that nets the Sixers are significantly better player.

SendEm · Post #34 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:21 pm

You last two guys are very simple minded. Chris Paul,TJ Ford, and Allen Iverson get into the lane on whoever whenever they want while all being on teams without a post presence, but somehow Tony Parker wouldn't be able to do that without a post presence on his team? You simple fans need to restrict your key strokes on this forum around me.

SendEm · Post #35 » by **SendEm** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:23 pm

LOL he actually said that teams are triple teaming Iguodala LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

76erinSJ · Post #36 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:23 pm

Are you serious? Paul has West and Chandler. Ford has Bogut, Charlie V and Yi and AI has Melo, Camby, Martin and Nene. Iggy has Evans and Sammy!

76erinSJ · Post #37 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:25 pm

When Iggy drives the lane he consistently gets doubled and tripled because the other team has no fear of letting our players open for jumpers because they know they wont make them.

Post #38 » by **The Guilty Party** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:28 pm

SendEm wrote:You simple fans need to restrict your key strokes on this forum around me.

I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from telling me how to stroke it in this forum, RP Junior.

76erinSJ · Post #39 » by **76erinSJ** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:32 pm

Thanku. For some reason he believes he is better then everyone here. His hate for DALA is starting to remind me of Rickys hate for Sammy. Ricky must have cut his wrist with how well Sammy is playing this season.

Post #40 » by **tk76** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:34 pm

SendEm wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Prince wasn't aggressive? I can vividly remember him DESTROYING teams with his post up moves

Don't make sassumptions based on watching Priince light up a 2nd year KK in a playoff series.

I said he wasn't that agressive his 1st 2 seasons. Looking at Prince's stats...

Year 1: 3.3 ppg. Hard to say a bit player like he was was destroying people. he rarely got playing time.
Year 2: 10 PPG in 32 minutes. Again, not agressive on offense

Dala:
Year 1: 9 ppg in 32 minutes
Year 2: 12 ppg in 37 min his second year.

My point was that Prince was passive offensively his 1st 2 years, and has been more aggressive since then (after turning 24.) Similarly, Dala was passive his 1st 2 seasons, and now is more agressive, and likely will not regress back to how he was as a rookie just because we put better scores next to him.