Proposed Trade Bulls/SAC

CJE · Post #1 » by **CJE** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:39 pm

Wallace/Duhon or NOC in exchange for Mike Bibby/Salmons

Not sure if it works exactly under the cap but we need a point guard and we need to stop Cleveland from getting one. Acquiring Salmons gives us another tall guard.

Post #2 » by **kulaz3000** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:43 pm

I have never liked Bibby since he entered the league. I've always felt he was over-rated, and i still do.

Someone please explain to me why he has consistently been rated as one of the better point guards? I've never seen it.

He is not worth the money he recieves, he isn't significantly better than Hinrich, so why bother making the trade? So we can continue to stock up on small players?

SkillzDatKillz · Post #3 » by **SkillzDatKillz** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:04 pm

I'd do it.

Cliff Levingston · Post #4 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:10 pm

CJE wrote:Wallace/Duhon or NOC in exchange for Mike Bibby/Salmons

There's no way the Kings do either one. Cliff Levingston would do it just to dump some salary. Bibby's deal is one year shorter than Wallace's and Salmons would help out more than Nocioni or Duhon would.

Future Coach · Post #5 » by **Future Coach** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:22 pm

you mean have hinrich and bibby?

why?

I mean nice salary dump of wallaces contract but noc can likely be included in a more significant trade and in basketball sense it doesn't make much sense. Getting 2 guards while possible giving up none. Granted I'm not sure how much faith I have in Pax to make wise basketball decisions anymore (Boylan?...Really Pax?) but this would put him closer to the isiah thomas realm of GM's making decisions without realizing how it will affect the court

ATRAIN53 · Post #6 » by **ATRAIN53** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:35 pm

PASS on a 6'1" Bibby who can't really dunk or gets to the FT line consistently enough.

INTERESTED in a 6'6" Salmons who can dunk and gets the the FT line about 4 or 5 times a game. Player on the rise here for sure.

also interested in 6'6" Dhantay Jones on the SAC roster, he needs playing time and we need tall guards.

Post #7 » by **Three34** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:55 pm

Player on the rise here for sure.

This is as high as John Salmons is ever rising.

Eminjay7 · Post #8 » by **Eminjay7** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:56 pm

If we dump Wallace we dont need Bibby and Salmons, because we have Hinrich and Gordon on those positions.
I'd never do that, because I dont like Bibby (Hinrich is better than him) and I'd rather have Gordon than Salmons.

NLK · Post #9 » by **NLK** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:04 pm

I dont know why, but I like Salmons. I would certainly trade Duhon for Salmons but that won't work with their salaries.
I'd rather take a lunatic Ron Artest for Ben Wallace right now. At least we'd have an identity, and if Ron Ron gets chucked out of the league, that'll open minutes for Gray, TT, & Jo-No.

Post #10 » by **Three34** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:08 pm

I think some of you have missed the Salmons memo. He went and got good.

He won't get any better, but right now he's very good.

Post #11 » by **kulaz3000** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:11 pm

Sham wrote:
Player on the rise here for sure.

This is as high as John Salmons is ever rising.

I think your missing the point. John Salmons can dunk.

Post #12 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:16 pm

Sacramento would do this WHY?

I'd believe a Bibby/Salmons for Hinrich/Duhon/VK trade or something of the like, and I'd reject it. But for Sacramento to take on Wallace's contract with getting rid of KT or Brad Miller...

CJE · Post #13 » by **CJE** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:21 pm

Hinrich is not a true point guard - Bibby is. Bibby can handle the ball at the end of games. How many times do we have to see Ben Gordon trying to create his own shot and either lose the ball or miss. I would rather have Gordon shoot with the game on the line coming off screens etc. He is not MJ or Pip where you give him the ball and clear out. Second, if we cannot get a low post presence, then the next best thing is another MJ or a point guard. Look at Phoenix or New Orleans

We dump Wallace Salary and get bigger with Salmons. With Salmons and Bibby both Duhon or Noc become expendable.

Post #14 » by **Ben** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:32 pm

Well of course we would do that in a NY minute and of course Sacramento never, ever would.

And yes, John Salmons is at the absolute peak of his value right now. He is way over-rated by some of our posters. And yet he would still be a nice addition to our team. If we could lose Wallace in the mix, so much the better.

Oh, and did I mention that it will never, ever happen?

fudgie · Post #15 » by **fudgie** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:34 pm

I doubt the Kings would do it but I would do a Wallace and Du for Bibby and Salmons. I'm not sure I would do Wallace and Noc because it would leave us a little thin in the front court. I might do Wallace/Noc/Du for Bibby/Salmons/solid front court player. Off the top of my head I can't think of who the front court player would be.

Reasons for Wallace/Du for Bibby/Salmons

1) We dump some salary

2) Clear up a front court log jam

3) Get 2 assets which are more tradebale

4) I don't know if you guys have noticed this but we only have two guards who are any good (only one if you don't count Hinrich). They would be huge help in the backcourt and would help our offense big time.

Actually,now that I think about it, there's no chance the Kings do it.

Post #16 » by **suckfish** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:41 pm

I'm not sure I would do Wallace and Noc because it would leave us a little thin in the front court.

Thin sounds good to me. No choice but to play the young bigs, which is the best longterm option for this ball club IMO, I guess thats another matter altogether though.

Deng/Thabo
Smith/Tyrus
Noah/Gray

Post #17 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:49 pm

I think the only way the kings *might* do it is if we took back a contract like SAR's or worse. But then our cheap management would never do that, either.

EDIT: SAR, Bibby, Salmons for Wallace, Duhon, VK, Noc works, and I think i'd do it. SAR can still be meh when healthy, and he's not as big of an albatross as Wallace. Bibby should be a nice player until he expires, while Salmons is a good combo-guard who fits us well on a good contract.

fudgie · Post #18 » by **fudgie** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:56 pm

suckfish wrote:
I'm not sure I would do Wallace and Noc because it would leave us a little thin in the front court.

Thin sounds good to me. No choice but to play the young bigs, which is the best longterm option for this ball club IMO, I guess thats another matter altogether though.

Deng/Thabo
Smith/Tyrus
Noah/Gray

I don't know. We'd only have Noah/Gray at C and Tyrus/Smith at PF. That's alright but if one of them was to get injured we wouldn't have anybody to step in. With Joe Smith's creaky knees that's a realistic possibility. Ideally we could get a PF/C that's decent and doesn't demand heavy minutes but could play 20+ should the need arise. SAR would be alright if he wasn't injured and if his contract was little shorter.

girlygirl · Post #19 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 11:16 pm

CJE wrote:Hinrich is not a true point guard - Bibby is. Bibby can handle the ball at the end of games. How many times do we have to see Ben Gordon trying to create his own shot and either lose the ball or miss. I would rather have Gordon shoot with the game on the line coming off screens etc. He is not MJ or Pip where you give him the ball and clear out. Second, if we cannot get a low post presence, then the next best thing is another MJ or a point guard. Look at Phoenix or New Orleans

We dump Wallace Salary and get bigger with Salmons. With Salmons and Bibby both Duhon or Noc become expendable.

Sorry, Mike Bibby is NOT a tue point guard. He is a shoot first guy who plays no defense.

For his career, Bibby has AVERAGED 6.2 APG in 36.5 MPG, with a career A/TO ratio of 2.49:1. Last season, he averaged a whopping 4.7 APG with a 1.97 A/TO ratio in 34 MPG.

Compare that to Hinrich's career numbers: 6.4 APG and 2.66:1 A/TO ratio in 35.8 MPG. So Hinrich -- who I agree is NOT a true PG -- has BETTER numbers than the supposed "true" PG, Bibby!! Add in the fact that Hinrich is way way way WAY better as a defender than Bibby, makes more than $3 million per less than Bibby and is 3 years younger, and I don't see any rational explanation for taking Bibby over Hinrich.

Oh, and please don't try to tell me Bibby hasn't had any players around him -- he's played wtih Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Vlade Divac, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Kevin Martin, etc. etc. --

CJE · Post #20 » by **CJE** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 11:19 pm

Kings' Bibby Impresses In Practice
January 1, 2008 - 5:16 pm
Sacramento Bee -
Mike Bibby ran as if nothing had happened, taking passes from assistant coaches after his first full-contact practice since his Oct. 27 thumb surgery and making long-range jumpers with a consistency befitting his reputation.

It was earlier Monday at the Kings' practice facility, though, when he had truly impressed the teammate who wishes he could have joined him. Kevin Martin, who is at least a week away from returning from his strained right groin suffered Dec. 4, watched Bibby lead the team's second unit to a 44-28 victory.

"[b]Mike looked great," Martin said. "You can see what his presence brings." [/b]
His actual presence isn't likely until Jan. 16 in Toronto. But just one day after the Kings learned that Ron Artest likely would miss at least two weeks to have a bone chip removed from his right elbow, even getting one step closer to having a starter return lifted their spirits. They are certainly in need, having lost four consecutive games and about to take their 3-10 road record on a three-game getaway starting in New York on Wednesday. [READ]