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Raptors are worst team in the NBA at defending 3-pt line

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Raptors are worst team in the NBA at defending 3-pt line 

Post#1 » by supersub15 » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:22 pm

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The Raptors allows other clubs to hit 38 per cent of their three pointers, tying them with four other teams for worst in the NBA in that category. Just for comparison, the Phoenix Suns make 38 per cent of their three-point attempts, and rank fifth in the NBA. Right now the Raptors are turning every team they play into the Phoenix Suns, at least from the three-point line. That kind of defence negates any advantage the Raptors have from the three-point line in a hurry.


Why can't the Raps defend the three? I'd welcome all explanations. But here's one possible theory: The Raptors rely way too much on help defence from their perimeter defenders. This was really evident against Cleveland and in the game against Phoenix at the ACC a while back.

When Lebron or Nash drove, too often, a Carlos Delfino or Jason Kapono would fall off their man trying to help out, and it was all-too-easy for LBJ or Nash to simply kick it out to the open man for the three. The Raptor defenders need to be aware of who they're covering and plan their help defence around those assignments. If you're covering Damon Jones or Rasheed Wallace, sorry, no help from you. If you're covering Devin Brown or Jason Maxiell, go right ahead.
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Post#2 » by Trilogy » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:29 pm

Lack of a true 5 forces more collapsing to the middle than would be wanted, which leaves the perimeter open alot more.
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Post#3 » by vulture » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:32 pm

this isn't a new discovery. If, I recall correctly we were also one of the worst at guarding the 3 last year.

SS, can you confirm that for me?
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Post#4 » by Death Knight » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:40 pm

No surprise.........As I've always said, this team lacks discipline. Players seem to make their own decisions out there on defense rather than following and sticking to a defensive scheme or plan.
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Post#5 » by Yuri Vaultin » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:42 pm

It wouldn't be so bad except that the help defender is always coming from the other teams best 3 point shooter. Can we not have the help coming from their worst shooter??
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Post#6 » by no_hops_23 » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:43 pm

We were 17th last year giving up 35.8%.
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Post#7 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:44 pm

Trilogy wrote:Lack of a true 5 forces more collapsing to the middle than would be wanted, which leaves the perimeter open alot more.


Pretty much.
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Post#8 » by booyah_child » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:51 pm

So they're supposed to defend even past that curved line!?
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Post#9 » by ghuytro » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:56 pm

I'll gladly give up the gimme 2 pointers over 38% (eg. 66.7 FG%) from 3 any day of the week.

It's a strategic mistake to over compensate for your inferior interior defense by shooting yourself in the foot by allowing teams to shoot virtually uncontested 3 pointers at those kind of percentages.
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Post#10 » by Anticon » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:57 pm

Death Knight wrote:No surprise.........As I've always said, this team lacks discipline. Players seem to make their own decisions out there on defense rather than following and sticking to a defensive scheme or plan.


Agreed. The defense is oddly every man for himself.
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Post#11 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:59 pm

ghuytro wrote:I'll gladly give up the gimme 2 pointers over 38% (eg. 66.7 FG%) from 3 any day of the week.


Seriously?

Well, here's the one good thing about that plan: It's VERY easy to do.
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Post#12 » by Ill Mago » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:01 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Pretty much.





LIES HARRY LIES

We all know bargnani is a true 5.
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Post#13 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:05 pm

Ill Mago wrote:-= original quote snipped =-






LIES HARRY LIES

We all know bargnani is a true 5.


He's like a combination of Hakeem and the Stay Puff Marshmellow Man from Ghostbusters.

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Post#14 » by Death Knight » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:06 pm

Anytime an opposing player gets close to the middle of the lane or paint, the Raptors panic, and I mean BIG time panic.

I'd much rather have an opposing player try to score in traffic than give up wide open 3s. As weak as the Raptors' interior defense is, at least there's going to be traffic there.

The Raptors are such suckers, and opposing teams know that, so they take full advantage them.
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Post#15 » by TheDoctor » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:09 pm

Reminds me a lot of the Jim O'Brien/Dick Harter defense.

And unsurprisingly, they give us almost as bad a 3P%, and they've got some better interior defenders in JO (over Bosh) and Foster (over Bargs).
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Post#16 » by Schad » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:13 pm

Trilogy wrote:Lack of a true 5 forces more collapsing to the middle than would be wanted, which leaves the perimeter open alot more.


True to a degree, but we collapse far more than is necessary, even with poor interior defenders. Last year, as noted, we weren't that bad...but this season, there seems to be a conscious effort to put more pressure on the ball-handler, a result of which is that the wings dive to the ball on even a hint of penetration.
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Post#17 » by Joker » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:15 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Pretty much.


Harry, even you have to admit that we over-help, regardless of how bad our interior defensive presence is. We'd collapse on jason collins if the situation presented itself.
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Post#18 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:17 pm

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Harry, even you have to admit that we over-help, regardless of how bad our interior defensive presence is. We'd collapse on jason collins if the situation presented itself.


Take a look at the foul rate we pile up inside when we don't.

It's a matter of survival.
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Post#19 » by Joker » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:19 pm

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Take a look at the foul rate we pile up inside when we don't.

It's a matter of survival.


I dare you to watch the games and tell me that we help/collapse at the appropriate times 100% of the time.
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Post#20 » by Harry Palmer » Wed Jan 9, 2008 10:22 pm

Joker wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I dare you to watch the games and tell me that we help/collapse at the appropriate times 100% of the time.


I dare you to find any team in history who helps at the appropriate times 100% of the time.

Also, to rebut your point, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjAH7x4vE9U

(Ie, everyone has their own way of doing things.)

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