Devil's advocate: reasons to trade Yi

[coolhandluke121]

1) Dissed Milwaukee hardcore, whereas his main competition at pf has usually displayed nothing but a positive team-first attitude despite being benched even when he's clearly outplaying Yi. CV even went to Yi's summer league games to try to get him to embrace Milwaukee.
2) Already have a pretty talented young finesse pf in CV.
3) Might be unhappy in Milwaukee and try to force his way out.
4) Hasn't proven he's the next Nowitzki or anything, so far just an unusually athletic 7-footer with a decent jumper, not necessarily any other remarkable attributes like competitive fire or creativity or great defense.
5) Rumor has it Kohl prefers CV (okay, basketball-wise that's not a good reason to trade Yi but it is up to Kohl in the end)
6) Yi is the one trade asset who can make the Bucks much better now, whereas trading one of the veterans would be taking a step backward in hopes of eventually taking two steps forward. One could argue that the Bucks need to be moving forward now in order to appease their owner and fan base.
7) Goes with #6, but Yi could fetch a really good player in a trade, possibly even someone like Iguodala, Horford, or Okafor although a Yi + bad contract for someone like Marion or Gasol is more plausible.
Could unload a bad contract while also getting a valuable veteran in return.

[europa]

The Bucks had a chance to trade Yi, shed a bad contract and get a Top 20 player on draft night in Marion. Kohl shot it down. Unless there's a way for the Bucks to get someone better than Marion, I don't see the point in trading Yi now. The Bucks decided on draft night he was more valuable than a Top 20 player so they might as well keep him and see if he can become that type of player.

[xTitan]

You also have to remember that CV and Bogut's deals end at the same time, doubtful you can pay both, unless Redd is dealt for someone with a deal that ends after next year...................if my growing feeling that Kohl cares more about status then he does about winning is true, Yi is not going anywhere.

[Ryan5UW]

1) Dissed Milwaukee hardcore, whereas his main competition at pf has usually displayed nothing but a positive team-first attitude despite being benched even when he's clearly outplaying Yi. CV even went to Yi's summer league games to try to get him to embrace Milwaukee.
2) Already have a pretty talented young finesse pf in CV.
3) Might be unhappy in Milwaukee and try to force his way out.
4) Hasn't proven he's the next Nowitzki or anything, so far just an unusually athletic 7-footer with a decent jumper, not necessarily any other remarkable attributes like competitive fire or creativity or great defense.
5) Rumor has it Kohl prefers CV (okay, basketball-wise that's not a good reason to trade Yi but it is up to Kohl in the end)
6) Yi is the one trade asset who can make the Bucks much better now, whereas trading one of the veterans would be taking a step backward in hopes of eventually taking two steps forward. One could argue that the Bucks need to be moving forward now in order to appease their owner and fan base.
7) Goes with #6, but Yi could fetch a really good player in a trade, possibly even someone like Iguodala, Horford, or Okafor although a Yi + bad contract for someone like Marion or Gasol is more plausible.
Could unload a bad contract while also getting a valuable veteran in return.

Seriously, how many games has he played in the NBA?

[Cold Crush 24]

Lest we forget Dirk was averaging a mystical 8.2 ppg 1.0 ast 0.6 bpg
and 3.6 rpg. If we look solely at the numbers we have a future MVP on our hands!

[rilamann]

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Seriously, how many games has he played in the NBA?

Thats what I was thinking when I read that comment.

I hope that came out wrong Coolhand but you make it sound like Yi was supposed to come in as a rookie from day 1 and put up Dirk like numbers,come on now.

Yi's numbers rookie numbers so far this season are actually much better than Dirk's rookie numbers.

Dirk got 8/3/1 on 40% shooting as a rookie in 47 games,50 game season due to the lock out in 1999.

[DH34Phan]

The Bucks had a chance to trade Yi, shed a bad contract and get a Top 20 player on draft night in Marion. Kohl shot it down.

Not trying to start a whole "source" debate, but is this really the case?

I didn't see anything about this in the media leading up to the draft.

[europa]

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Seriously, how many games has he played in the NBA?

He's actually proven to be better than Dirk was as a rookie. Now whether Yi can make the big jump that Dirk made (especially in his second season) remains to be seen. But so far, the early results about Yi have been quite positive.

Not trying to start a whole "source" debate, but is this really the case?

Yup. GAD has confirmed the trade offer from the Suns. I believe Chuck Diesel may have confirmed it as well. Chad Ford had reported prior to the draft that Suns were interested in Yi and were willing to offer Marion in return.

[L&H_05]

lol trade the one guy who hasn't been apart of the core problem for the last 3 seasons or so...

[emunney]

9) Tractor Traylor is available.

[Profound23]

Dirk wasn't very good his rookie year, thus far Yi is better than Dirk was at this point in his career.

I am not saying he will be as good or better, but to say he hasn't proved himseld to be the next Dirk is crazy talk.

[coolhandluke121]

Wait, what?! What exactly is wrong with my comment? All I'm saying is he hasn't proven he's going to be a great pf, although some people act as though it's a foregone conclusion that he is. That's all I'm saying, that it's not a foregone conclusion. WTF is wrong with saying that?! I didn't say he has proven he's not going to be the next Dirk, a comment to which you would rightly object. I said he hasn't proven he is going to be the next Dirk. I'm just saying he hasn't proven he's going to be as good as some people seem to expect. Big difference. The fact is he could end up being not much better than Gasol (if even that good) or maybe even not much better than LaFrentz in his prime, so it's possible the Bucks could capitalize on the intrigue by trading him now for a proven player. Sure, it looks like he could be very good, but you can't just project the future like that. Mike Miller hasn't gotten any better since his rookie year, for example.

Good job misconstruing my statement though, you guys should work for the Republicans in the general election.

[Ayt]

lol trade the one guy who hasn't been apart of the core problem for the last 3 seasons or so...

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Crazy talk, I tell ya.

[zizek]

I would consider Yi and Bogut the building blocks and would not want to trade him. As un-P.C. as it is to say he might be as old as 24, though, if he was 23 when drafted. NBA teams are happy to draft a player in their early twenties instead of a teenager because of all the trouble they've had with teenagers and because they don't expect to have him indefinitely but there is a point where expectations should be adjusted downward based on age. It might be best to act as is he's older for the purpose of keeping expectations from being overblown but figuring he's younger to avoid trading someone who's playing as if he's had 4 more years of experience than he really has.

[okanoho]

Wait, what?! What exactly is wrong with my comment? All I'm saying is he hasn't proven he's going to be a great pf, although some people act as though it's a foregone conclusion that he is. That's all I'm saying, that it's not a foregone conclusion. WTF is wrong with saying that?! I didn't say he has proven he's not going to be the next Dirk, a comment to which you would rightly object. I said he hasn't proven he is going to be the next Dirk. I'm just saying he hasn't proven he's going to be as good as some people seem to expect. Big difference. The fact is he could end up being not much better than Gasol (if even that good) or maybe even not much better than LaFrentz in his prime, so it's possible the Bucks could capitalize on the intrigue by trading him now for a proven player. Sure, it looks like he could be very good, but you can't just project the future like that. Mike Miller hasn't gotten any better since his rookie year, for example.

Good job misconstruing my statement though, you guys should work for the Republicans in the general election.

tell me who's proven then

[BrewCityBBQ]

You do NOT trade Yi right now. That much a 6th grader could pick up.

[buckybadgerfan]

Okay so you like CV and provided 7 reasons you feel Yi should be traded.

Those reasons you provided aren't facts but rather opinions.
I could give you 7 equal reasons CV (a journeyman with several NBA years xperience) has NOT reached his potential and was outshown by Yi for the starting job
Dude is a slacker unless he has competition. Yi is merely learning the NBA game but once he is adjusted he'll be a better player than CV.

If CV has poor defensive games and continues to be turnover prone in at crucial times I dont see him starting over anyone.

[coolhandluke121]

I did say I was playing devil's advocate, didn't I? All I offered were some potential justifications for doing what many fans (who are notorious for overhyping young players) consider unthinkable but really is not so unthinkable. I mean, imagine how Raptor fans would have felt about potentially trading CV in his rookie year. A half-dozen good games does not an untradeable player make.

Furthermore, you do realize the Bucks would get a very valuable player if they traded Yi, don't you?

And I know for a fact I'm not the only one who thinks the Bucks need to either unload a veteran and rebuild or trade some young talent to try to get better now. Right now they are on track for a 37-win season and maybe a fluke berth in the playoffs, or more likely a pretty worthless draft pick in the 10-14 range. A good Yi trade could make them a strong contender for the 4th seed and homecourt advantage in the first round. Who else is there behind Orlando, Detroit, and Boston?

I have no idea what okahona means by saying "tell me who's proven then", if you really want a list of players who have proven themselves to be more valuable than Yi in the short term that would take me all night.[/i]

[Sigra]

The Bucks had a chance to trade Yi, shed a bad contract and get a Top 20 player on draft night in Marion. Kohl shot it down. Unless there's a way for the Bucks to get someone better than Marion, I don't see the point in trading Yi now. The Bucks decided on draft night he was more valuable than a Top 20 player so they might as well keep him and see if he can become that type of player.

It's not that simple. Marion has terrible contract and posibility to leave early. It is very posible that Kohl didn't want that contract more than he wanted Yi. Also, Marion has attitude problems and could be cancer in any team without Nash. I would pass on that deal too. But I would trade Yi + bad contract for Gasol.

[Sigra]

Dirk was missing his shots and had confidence problems in his rookie year. But even then it was clear hat he can control his arms and legs. Yi has problem to control his arms and legs and therefore there is a BIG posibility that he will end up as big bust. No metter how much we hate to talk about that if you watch you can see that Yi has big problems with coordination and when he is in crowd. He could solve all of that problems but there is also posibility that he will not. Yi is not sure thing. Not even close to sure thing. A lot of question marks.

I will say again. We can only HOPE that he will become as good as Gasol. If we can trade him and bad contract for Gasol we would be idiots to not do that. Insteed of waiting few years for him to maybe become as good as Gasol we could have Gasol NOW and also get rid of bad contract in the process.