Official Bargnani Discussion Thread

[Komodo]

Bargnani definately sucks at rebounding. Not only are his instincts terrible, but even more worrying is that he shows no passion or intensity to fight for a ball.

I question his mindset. We've seen him fight for position down low before when he has a mismatch, and right or wrong if his teammates don't throw the ball into him, you can tell he's disappointed and almosts sulks in that he doesn't put forth much effort after this happens. Last night he couldn't even post up Andre Miller, a point guard, and became frustrated, ending up getting the offensive foul. The same thing has happened when he tried to post up Damon Stoudamire, all 5'10'' of him. Atrocious. Also last night there was one play that stould out to me: Bosh was fighting off two 76ers for an offensive board down low. Bargnani was outside the paint, standing innocently, mouth ajar, as if he were stunned. For crying out loud, the man is 7' and easily 250 lbs. Get in there and fight for the damn ball! It's inexcusable seeing Bargnani so timid, considering his size. Where's the inner-passion, Maurizio?

Bargnani has shown the ability to score, the reason for which we drafted him. It's amazing watching him score at will sometimes, eye-opening for a player his size. He's young, and still very inconsistant. Goes for 25 here, 17 the next, then 3 straight games of 3, 4, 6 points. He's obviously learning to play a new position, but I have my reservations about him manning the middle long-term. I think he'd be best beside a natural 5.

OT: Too bad we couldn't convince the Lakers of a Bargnani for Bynum swap. They'd laugh in our face. In fact, they might even turn down Bosh for Bynum. He's gonna be very good.

[rapstarr]

the expectations on bargs is way too high. the guy is just not that good and will never be an allstar. he might not even have much of a career in the nba if he doesnt improve is defensive deficiencies. so we need to just chill and watch what happens.

[Joker]

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I'm tired of agenda driven posters like Scrub. How does Bargnani rate among all-time first overall picks in three point shooting? Not interested, eh Scrub.

There isn't a Raptor fan who doesn't want/expect/demand that Bargnani rebound more, but everything has a relative weighting in the big picture, and the anti-Bargnani people will ignore a nice run of games by AP or CB or JC to harp on Bargnani as if we're heading for a 24-win season.

It's all out of proportion, and it speaks to the character - or lack thereof - of the poster as much as the poor rebounding of #7.

I don't think that's relevant considering that a lot of the first overall picks didn't have to shoot 3's. They basically got the ball near the hoop and dunked it/got a layup.

[bill russell]

SS's analysis is useful. Shows how much AB has to improve if he's going to be a factor in this league. Meanwhile, the raps have a more pressing problem. Our starting bigs got three rebounds last night. Between them. Against Cleveland they played more minutes and had eight (five bosh, three AB). One of bosh's was simply catching the ball on the last play of the game. Another was his put back of a layup he blew in the fourth quarter. They both suck at the moment.

[Maritimer]

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Your statistical analasys is flawed as you should only use defensive rebounds.
Comparing a player who has spent 50% of his playing time at the 3 point line doesn't show his rebounding ability. If you use only defensive rebounds then you will get a truer sense of rebounding ability.
That said his numbers may not be that great but you can argue that bargs wasn't drafted because of his rebounding ability.

Seems more like you are trying to prove a point rather than doing an investigation of reality.

That's bizarre logic. That's like saying a parent doesn't spend enough time with his/her kids, but if you ignore all the month long business trips, he/she do. The fact that he doesn't hit the offensive boards is part of the problem, not an excuse.

[Joker]

^^Maritimer comes from a broken home.

[vulture]

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+1

I'm tired of agenda driven posters like Scrub. How does Bargnani rate among all-time first overall picks in three point shooting? Not interested, eh Scrub.

There isn't a Raptor fan who doesn't want/expect/demand that Bargnani rebound more, but everything has a relative weighting in the big picture, and the anti-Bargnani people will ignore a nice run of games by AP or CB or JC to harp on Bargnani as if we're heading for a 24-win season.

It's all out of proportion, and it speaks to the character - or lack thereof - of the poster as much as the poor rebounding of #7.

Is this a joke?

How many number 1 picks shoot 3s? They rather get high percentage layups/dunks.

[Maritimer]

[Komodo]

And then you have the people who operate in blind hope, sometimes overlooking or ignoring fatal flaws in a player, and instead paint a more appealing picture in their own mind.

It use to ruffle my feathers seeing posters constantly degrade Bargnani. The haters. Why couldn't they just be happy with what they've got? Well my tune has been changing recently, seeing others making steady progress, looking like future stars. I realize the growing pains. But damnit, they are frustrating, epsecially when you have doubt in the back of your mind as you go along.

[dagger]

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I don't think that's relevant considering that a lot of the first overall picks didn't have to shoot 3's. They basically got the ball near the hoop and dunked it/got a layup.

The issue us not his record shooting 3's, but the fixation with his deficiencies, where certain agenda-driven posters harp and harp and harp, day in, day out.

[Komodo]

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[Andiamo]

andrea bashing is pathetic.i heard him get jeers when he was introduced by herbie kuhn.some of the raptor supporters need a smack in the head...we gonna turn this kid into hoffa where every deficiency he possess is scrutinized rather than focus on his positives and let him learn?...its stupid.

[miruss2001]

^ He's pointing out statistical fact Dagger. He's not saying trade the kid.
Just as pathetic as blind Bargs bashing (which this isn't) are posters like yourself who are "stunned" when someone dare naysay or point these facts out with statistical evidence.

Get off the high horse.

[Joker]

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The issue us not his record shooting 3's, but the fixation with his deficiencies, where certain agenda-driven posters harp and harp and harp, day in, day out.

Bargnani hit 46% of his 3's in November but in December he hit 19% of his 3's, and in January so far he's hitting 37.5%.

WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT HIS 3-POINT SHOOTING, PEOPLE?!!

[emfive]

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Bargnani hit 46% of his 3's in November but in December he hit 19% of his 3's, and in January so far he's hitting 37.5%.

WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT HIS 3-POINT SHOOTING, PEOPLE?!!

That is another thread. Get it straight will you!

[Tommy Gun]

Bargs is just terrible at rebounding and he always will be. Why this is still debated is beyond me.

Our starting bigs got three rebounds last night. Between them. Against Cleveland they played more minutes and had eight (five bosh, three AB). One of bosh's was simply catching the ball on the last play of the game. Another was his put back of a layup he blew in the fourth quarter. They both suck at the moment.

Yeah, lets just ignore the last 400 games of Bosh's career and focus on the last 2. Clealry he sucks at rebounding...lololo

[James Ballswin (Realizar)]

SS's analysis is useful. Shows how much AB has to improve if he's going to be a factor in this league. Meanwhile, the raps have a more pressing problem. Our starting bigs got three rebounds last night. Between them. Against Cleveland they played more minutes and had eight (five bosh, three AB). One of bosh's was simply catching the ball on the last play of the game. Another was his put back of a layup he blew in the fourth quarter. They both suck at the moment.

I agree that it is useful.

Knowing now that AB is on course to become the very worst rebounding big-man of his generation, one would think that AB himself would begin to take some pride and begin to show some fire/fight to pull down more boards to improve his stats and avoid this humiliating legacy/reputation.

It's one thing to be mediocore at something. It's a whole other thing to be the very worst at something.

Being the innate optimist that I am, I'm supportive of letting Bargs play through his mistakes for the rest of the season. But come next year, he'll have to show some toughness and marked improvement to get any respect from me.

When I think of AB, I wonder why he doesn't play the same way as Raseed Wallace, who's the same size and has the same consistent long distance range. Wallace plays good positional defence and gets his share of def rbp.

Seeing/watching AB play last night was dreadful and upsetting.

(For the sake of the team, I hope AB and JG are sitting on complete opposite sides of the locker room, cuz their games are looking eerily similar).

[emfive]

Bargs is just terrible at rebounding and he always will be. Why this is still debated is beyond me.

Our starting bigs got three rebounds last night. Between them. Against Cleveland they played more minutes and had eight (five bosh, three AB). One of bosh's was simply catching the ball on the last play of the game. Another was his put back of a layup he blew in the fourth quarter. They both suck at the moment.

Yeah, lets just ignore the last 400 games of Bosh's career and focus on the last 2. Clealry he sucks at rebounding...lololo

Let us stick our heads in the sand re this team's rebounbing issues and focus on the youngest problem in that regard.

[hksazn]

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+1

I'm tired of agenda driven posters like Scrub. How does Bargnani rate among all-time first overall picks in three point shooting? Not interested, eh Scrub.

There isn't a Raptor fan who doesn't want/expect/demand that Bargnani rebound more, but everything has a relative weighting in the big picture, and the anti-Bargnani people will ignore a nice run of games by AP or CB or JC to harp on Bargnani as if we're heading for a 24-win season.

It's all out of proportion, and it speaks to the character - or lack thereof - of the poster as much as the poor rebounding of #7.

-1 it's his overall game that needs work and rebounding is just a tipping point because how tall he is so it should take less effort to get the ball.

He needs better foot work, positioning, boxing out, rotating on help defense, the ability to cover on the switch against the mismatch. Better shot selection because he's disrupting the offense when he doesn't have the shot, he makes a move and makes it more difficult, when he should make the extra pass. I have no problem if he is squared and makes the attempt and misses when its an open look. These are fundamental abilities to learn how to play the game of basketball, its not all about just jacking up shots. If thats your ability this makes you a role player. I believe most are just frustrated because you should already have this ability if going to be considered a lottery pick, he's clearly a project, and its more likely that the mistake is not his, it's BC for not getting the deal to get a lower pick if he was the guy you wanted.

[The Letter V]

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Bargnani hit 46% of his 3's in November but in December he hit 19% of his 3's, and in January so far he's hitting 37.5%.

WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT HIS 3-POINT SHOOTING, PEOPLE?!!

No you're right, it's just better to bash him...I'm sure something good will come out of it....


We know he's an attrocious rebounder- even his biggest suporters will admit it. I don't understand what a thread like this hopes to accomplish.