Official Bargnani Discussion Thread

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I believe he was the centre. Not 100% on that though

I believe he played a fair bit of PF. They have a veteran C.

[Tommy Gun]

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We won though so Bosh is immune of any criticism, Bargnani hate shall continue though.

No you idiot. Maybe it's because Bosh averages 10.4 boards per 40 minutes while Bargs averages a pathetic 6 per 40. Maybe it's because Bosh has already proven that he is an excellent rebounder on the NBA level while Bargs rebounds like an average swingman.

[Yorkz]

Some of you are upset with SS because you think it's too early to tell what kind of a player AB will wind up.

Some of you think there's enough evidence on AB to suggest it's time to panace.

Interestingly, SS, has stated neither in his OP and left it up to us to attack each other but he knew what kind of reaction his post would elicit.

IMO, SS's analysis was important enough to post as an individual thread.

[bigtime105]

Why are we still harping on Bargz? The team is still young and everyone has to develop in certain areas. We're not expecting to win the Finals in the next 3 years. BC said to give him 5 years to develop and while that maybe too long for many on the board I think I can live with those five years. Many have already forgotten what life was like before the BC era. If we we're expecting to make the finals in the next few years i'm positive BC would have drafted someone with less upside but who was more NBA ready. In five years if he's not living up to expectations we can all chip in to buy his ticket back to Italy but for now just let him play.

5 years to develope? Just let him play? This is the NBA not a daycare, if bargs wants to develope he should go to the Developmental League, D-League. Or is this how the NBA is now? where pro athletes come into pro league to learn basic fundamental skills? like not travelling or boxing out and going for the rebound, I hope not.

[Reignman]

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I believe he was the centre. Not 100% on that though

I'm pretty sure he played PF. I remember being annoyed at the fact that he couldn't play center for Italy.

[gangstaff]

I think if he was scoring more this would matter a lot less. Moon can cover up for his horrible rebounding a bit. Problem is, he's not lighting it up either.

[Maritimer]

I <3 black and white!!!

[deknow]

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I'm pretty sure he played PF. I remember being annoyed at the fact that he couldn't play center for Italy.

I could be wrong. He definitely got time there though.

[RapsVC15]

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No you idiot. Maybe it's because Bosh averages 10.4 boards per 40 minutes while Bargs averages a pathetic 6 per 40. Maybe it's because Bosh has already proven that he is an excellent rebounder on the NBA level while Bargs rebounds like an average swingman.

you called me a idiot

[aristippus]

Question : What position did AB played for his National team in the offseason ?

Often so as in Toronto. PF in offense, much perimetral, C in defense. But Sam is rigth, Andrea needs to improvement his reboulding. He is satisfied with the only boxing out.

[ansoncarter]

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In my search, he was listed as a Center. But according to the starting lineups, he was SF, with Artis Gilmore and Charles Oakley being C and PF.

That makes Bargnani as the worst rebounding center then.

brad lohaus was barely a center too. He was a chucker. I think he actually played sf a lot but not sure (just assuming(

but bargs rebounding isn't the biggest concern anyways. It's his shooting touch imo. As in, he might not be anything special at it, and might be one of those mechanical guys who can only hit in the right spots/times

[kyrils]

I think it is time we get them to institute a rating system for posters. multiply their rating by the value of what they say to get a true value of their post.

right now the average rating on real gm raptors poster is -60%

[supersub15]

I'll plug this here. I don't want to be called names for starting new threads about the same thing, after all.

read more here

Start clicking through games on NBA League Pass and try finding teams that are struggling in the middle -- you'll quickly see that rumors of the center's demise have been greatly exaggerated. In fact, only a few teams have a real problem at the position. By my count, there are four: Toronto, New Jersey, Seattle and (sadly) Chicago. That's it.

Believe it or not, 28 centers have a player efficiency rating (PER) above the league average, the most of any position. And although you can debate the bona fides of a few that have been forced to the middle by circumstances (Stromile Swift, for example), the vast majority are legitimate pivot men.

[Reignman]

Honest question, where did people think his improvement was going to come from?

- All I remember about the off season is that he played for the NT.
- I remember someone posting a picture of a skinny Italian kid and Bargs standing behind him looking buff, which may or may not have been photo shopped.
- I don't remember hearing about a big man coach at any point in the summer.
- Last season he didn't even play the Center position so it's not like he learned anything there.

So please tell where the hell is his improvement going to come from? A few weeks of training camp and pre-season? Were the Raps / Fans expecting him to magically learn the position because of his nickname?

I really don't get it.

Honestly, his last off season was a complete joke from the information that was available. All he did was lift weights and....

[Reignman]

Double post

[Yuri Vaultin]

Bargnani is the new "TJ vs. Jose" on RealGM.

[Mack11]

hey, at least we dont have brad sellers

[aristippus]

I'll plug this here. I don't want to be called names for starting new threads about the same thing, after all.

read more here

Start clicking through games on NBA League Pass and try finding teams that are struggling in the middle -- you'll quickly see that rumors of the center's demise have been greatly exaggerated. In fact, only a few teams have a real problem at the position. By my count, there are four: Toronto, New Jersey, Seattle and (sadly) Chicago. That's it.

Believe it or not, 28 centers have a player efficiency rating (PER) above the league average, the most of any position. And although you can debate the bona fides of a few that have been forced to the middle by circumstances (Stromile Swift, for example), the vast majority are legitimate pivot men.

But this is normal for Toronto SS. BC has chosen another way. The real question, for me, is always the same: it is better to play with 2 big PF, or in the traditional way, with a true center? With 2 PF , what you lose in defense, it earns in offense? (sorry my english SS).

[TDGlenmanor]

Plain and Simple he is garbage

[deknow]

I'll plug this here. I don't want to be called names for starting new threads about the same thing, after all.

read more here

Start clicking through games on NBA League Pass and try finding teams that are struggling in the middle -- you'll quickly see that rumors of the center's demise have been greatly exaggerated. In fact, only a few teams have a real problem at the position. By my count, there are four: Toronto, New Jersey, Seattle and (sadly) Chicago. That's it.

Believe it or not, 28 centers have a player efficiency rating (PER) above the league average, the most of any position. And although you can debate the bona fides of a few that have been forced to the middle by circumstances (Stromile Swift, for example), the vast majority are legitimate pivot men.

You come off so lame.