Official Bargnani Discussion Thread

[Joker]

OK, back from my meeting, and I see that I'm being tagged - AGAIN - as a hater. This board never ceases to amaze. I understand dagger's temper tantrums; I've come to expect those every time I post something about Bargnani, but CC, you disappoint me.

The really sad thing is that both Dagger and Center Court are like 50+ years old

[Harry Palmer]

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The issue us not his record shooting 3's, but the fixation with his deficiencies, where certain agenda-driven posters harp and harp and harp, day in, day out.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?

[elephunk]

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You come off so lame.

Sarcasm?

I don't see what's so wrong in posting an ESPN article for everyone to read.

[deknow]

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Sarcasm?

Not at all he is so lame. He keeps posting the same sh*t day after day.

[Harry Palmer]

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Not at all he is so lame. He keeps posting the same sh*t day after day.

A) Do you see a possible connection between that and what keeps happening game after game?

B) So you come into threads he starts, with clearly designated titles, to express your frustration with his posting by juvenile personal attacks? That doesn't strike you as freaking idiotic? What's he doing, forcing you to read his threads? If you'd rather not talk about the subject, I believe there is this function where you can stop your computer from automatically entering the thread. It's called personal choice.

C) In any event, name calling and personal attacks are almost always a sign that the person attacking has nothing else left to offer. It's a kindergarten tactic.

[rapz**7**]

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5 years to develope? Just let him play? This is the NBA not a daycare, if bargs wants to develope he should go to the Developmental League, D-League. Or is this how the NBA is now? where pro athletes come into pro league to learn basic fundamental skills? like not travelling or boxing out and going for the rebound, I hope not.

Yea but at the same time, how many players came into the league and had a direct impact. Every great player takes time to polish there game and Bargs is no different. Look at how long it took Dirk and now he has an MVP title to his name. When Nash played with Dallas many wouldnt believe that he would go on to get the MVP not once but twice. I think you as many other posters see the glass as half empty.

[deknow]

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A) Do you see a possible connection between that and what keeps happening game after game?

B) So you come into threads he starts, with clearly designated titles, to express your frustration with his posting by juvenile personal attacks? That doesn't strike you as freaking idiotic? What's he doing, forcing you to read his threads? If you'd rather not talk about the subject, I believe there is this function where you can stop your computer from automatically entering the thread. It's called personal choice.

C) In any event, name calling and personal attacks are almost always a sign that the person attacking has nothing else left to offer. It's a kindergarten tactic.

Not at all. Its just annoying to wake up everyday and see the exact same thread as the day before but just worded differently. WE ALL KNOW HE CAN'T REBOUND!

Speaking of Juvenile attacks, how was your postgame tirade any different?

[Harry Palmer]

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Yea but at the same time, how many players came into the league and had a direct impact. Every great player takes time to polish there game and Bargs is no different.

Actually, you're wrong. Dirk and the HS kids are the exceptions, not the norms. Almost every great player made an impact right away. Virtually all of them aside from the HSers did by their second year.

[Vorticity]

Bargnani is the new "TJ vs. Jose" on RealGM.

if your point guard had zero assists night in and night out, would you not be concerned?

I think what's being lost here is many people are concerned that this Bargs playing C experiment is failing and hence a concern. no need to panick, but it is a legitimate concern. and the onus is not on Bargs, but on the people in the organization who stubbornly think that it will succeed (despite all the contrary evidence), even when your future Forward-Center has a def rebounding rate of 2.7.

I can't think of how ugly things would get come playoff time, when the rebounding issue will rear its ugly head.

[Harry Palmer]

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Not at all. Its just annoying to wake up everyday and see the exact same thread as the day before but just worded differently. WE ALL KNOW HE CAN'T REBOUND!

A) Well, to be accurate, several people still haven't given up this ghost. But none of this addresses why you feel the need to enter his threads. IF as you say you know what he's going to be saying, why are you reading them and then getting all heated up about it? Makes no sense.

Speaking of Juvenile attacks, how was your postgame tirade any different?

When I personally attacked whom?

[The Letter V]

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A) Do you see a possible connection between that and what keeps happening game after game?

...so shouldn't it be clear to everyone what the situation is? Or do we need a new thread every day to rehash the same claim.


Everyone gets that Bargs is an awful rebounder. The only difference between his haters and his supporters is that the supporters say he will improve- his haters say he won't.

[Harry Palmer]

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...so shouldn't it be clear to everyone what the situation is? Or do we need a new thread every day to rehash the same claim.


Everyone gets that Bargs is an awful rebounder. The only difference between his haters and his supporters is that the supporters say he will improve- his haters say he won't.

First off, no, some people still don't see it. But that said, how else are we supposed to eval this improvement, or whether or not it's a realistic view, than by consistently reviewing the issue?

And you would also be the first to jump on someone for repetitive topics if Bargs were to run of 10 straight 30 pt games, right? Like by the 6th, you'd be all 'Look, we KNOW he can shoot. Why do you need to keep harping on it? STFU, dufus!', etc.

Right?

[SomeDay]

Andrea is like a young Skywalker: He needs Obi Wan to show him "The Force".

I agree with a previous poster.. get him the best friggin old school center available as a personal mentor/coach.

I'm disappointed with his "improvement" so far.. but get him a coach to work with. Then after a season, if he has not improved significantly we can say definitively that:

a) He doesn't care about improving, or

b) He isn't capable of improving.

And when I say improving, I mean strictly in the rebounding/defence area. At that time, if I were BC, I would evaluate what to do. If you give him everything he needs to succeed, and he does not show improvement, it's time to think about not forcing him into a position he has never had to play before.

[deknow]

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A) Well, to be accurate, several people still haven't given up this ghost. But none of this addresses why you feel the need to enter his threads. IF as you say you know what he's going to be saying, why are you reading them and then getting all heated up about it? Makes no sense.


When I personally attacked whom?

If he's going to continue to post useless garbage where's the harm in telling him that it is? Hopefully it will make him see how redundant he's become and move on.

This is as bad as the TJ/Jose threads and its being perpetuated by ONE poster and his cronies.

I think his name is Curryfries but anyways whether it was an attack or not is irrelevant it was pretty juvenile.

[Sun Tzu]

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The issue us not his record shooting 3's, but the fixation with his deficiencies, where certain agenda-driven posters harp and harp and harp, day in, day out.

Supersub didn't say a thing about the nice suits he wears either. Or his flawless Italian.

Apparently being among the worst rebounders ever for a man his size isn't worthy of mention, in the absence of some counterbalancing remarks about his (currently mediocre) shooting percentage.

[deknow]

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First off, no, some people still don't see it. But that said, how else are we supposed to eval this improvement, or whether or not it's a realistic view, than by consistently reviewing the issue?

And you would also be the first to jump on someone for repetitive topics if Bargs were to run of 10 straight 30 pt games, right? Like by the 6th, you'd be all 'Look, we KNOW he can shoot. Why do you need to keep harping on it? STFU, dufus!', etc.

Right?

I've been that person on many ocassions good or bad.

[RockTHECasbah]

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[O'DEAN_MAGNUM]

Bargs being a subpar to poor rebounders shouldn't be much of a surprise. He's not much of a leaper, isn't that strong and doesn't have the "pogo stick" jumping ability of many good rebounders

it's just gettting more emphasized lately obviously because of his lack of offensive output.

I am a supporter of Bargs, (for no other reason that we are stuck with him for the next few years), but I can understand fans frustration with him when his shots aren't falling. He is essenstially a big pylon out there and it would be nice if he could contribute in other ways....wishful thinking!!

[bargs]

Andrea is like a young Skywalker: He needs Obi Wan to show him "The Force".

I agree with a previous poster.. get him the best friggin old school center available as a personal mentor/coach.

I'm disappointed with his "improvement" so far.. but get him a coach to work with. Then after a season, if he has not improved significantly we can say definitively that:

a) He doesn't care about improving, or

b) He isn't capable of improving.

And when I say improving, I mean strictly in the rebounding/defence area. At that time, if I were BC, I would evaluate what to do. If you give him everything he needs to succeed, and he does not show improvement, it's time to think about not forcing him into a position he has never had to play before.

100% agree...that's a thing to do soon as possible

[tb40]

After reading this whoooole thread, I have to agree with emfive's assessment that the defensive philosophy of the team has a lot to do with Bargnani's struggles with rebounding, as well as the whole team, and Reignman makes some constructive posts about Bargs needing to practice, practice, and more practice over the summer with the tutoring of an established big man coach.

p.s. And no I am not contradicting myself because although I cite the team defensive philosophy/ineptness, I also believe Bargs has a lot of work to do in improving his rebounding/overall game, thus the need for off-season mentoring.