Bulls/Blazers/Grizzlies (Gasol, Wallace, LaFrentz)

bullzman23 · Post #1 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:44 am

Bulls Trade: Ben Wallace, Joakim Noah, Andres Nocioni, 08 1st Round Pick
Bulls Receive: Pau Gasol, James Jones, and Brian Cardinal

Blazers Trade: Jarret Jack, James Jones, Raef LaFrentz
Blazers Receive: Ben Wallace and *Damon Stoudamire*

Grizzlies Trade: Pau Gasol, Damon Stoudamire, Brian Cardinal
Grizzlies Receive: Andres Nocioni, Joakim Noah, Jarrett Jack, 08 1st (Chi)

**With some tweaking, the Blazers could get Duhon and Khryapa while the Bulls get Stoudamire.

I won't explain why the Bulls do it. It's pretty obvious. If needed Sefolosha and/or an extra first could be added, though I feel like this is a fair offer when you consider what guys like Iverson, Carter, B.Davis, and Marbury all brought back in their trades.

The Grizzlies get a young big, an extra point guard who can later be used in trades or allow Lowry to become expendable, a top 6th man and a guy that they strongly pursued during the FA period, and a 1st round pick. They also finally shed Cardinal.

Why the Blazers do it. Now this should be fun....

Fact: The Blazers are ranked 27th in the league in rebounds per game.
Fact: The entire Blazer's roster has combined to play 93 playoff games, with LaFrentz and Jones playing the majority of them.

If the Blazers are serious about making noise in the playoffs this season, they will have to start by fixing that problem. Wallace only has a year longer than LaFrentz on his contract and also expires when Roy and Aldridge would have to be re-upped.

They may also want to get some savvy vets in their rotation for the playoffs. Stoudamire and Wallace combine to bring 149 games of playoff experience. Currently, the entire Blazers roster has played 93 (LaFrentz played 35 of those games and Jones 44).

DanTown8587 · Post #2 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:55 am

NO for the Blazers, Wallace's contract is just to terrible

superBlazerFan · Post #3 » by **superBlazerFan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:59 am

the blazers have no reason to mess with the team.. we are building for the future

bullzman23 · Post #4 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:03 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:NO for the Blazers, Wallace's contract is just to terrible

Dan, can you explain why that is a significant factor for the Blazers?

- Paul Allen isn't afraid to spend.
- Wallace is signed only a year longer than LaFrentz, but 10x more useful which means something for a terrible rebounding team.
- Wallace's contract expires around the time where they have to resign their significant free-agents.

So is Wallace's contract really a big deal in this situation?

bullzman23 · Post #5 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:07 pm

superBlazerFan wrote:the blazers have no reason to mess with the team.. we are building for the future

Right, and no one super significant to the future is being messed with...at least imo.

Jack is expendable with Rodriguez and Blake.

Jones is obviously a really nice piece for them, but it's hard to imagine him keeping a big role on this team as Outlaw improves. He also may get a pretty offer from a different team making it hard for the Blazers to keep. Also they have to give something to get something.

They could be a serious force in this year's playoffs with the Jazz struggling. Their two main problems are rebounding and experience. Why not fix those things if it only costs you Jones and Jack? Having Wallace defend Stoudamire, Duncan, West, Boozer, etc. would take a ton of pressure off of Aldridge.

Also trading Jones would open up some minutes for Darius Miles when he returns. This is worth noting because they already have a lot of money invested in Miles.

DeezXXnutZ · Post #6 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:14 pm

Blazers aren't going to make this trade now or ever..What makes you think this would be even close to a good deal for us.?..Oh I see, you want players off are near unstoppable team right now and dump your useless players that were signed to contracts no one outside the Knicks will pay...

bullzman23 · Post #7 » by **bullzman23** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:16 pm

DeezXXnutZ wrote:Blazers aren't going to make this trade now or ever..What makes you think this would be even close to a good deal for us.?..Oh I see, you want players off are near unstoppable team right now and dump your useless players that were signed to contracts no one outside the Knicks will pay...

And on top of it your trying to call people out for not going along with your homer trade..This is why there are no Bulls fans responding to this trade..They know its a joke.....

Was that necessary? I didn't call anyone out. I responded politely for why I think it makes sense. No need to be an ass. No Bulls fans have replied because I posted this trade like ten minutes ago...

Also I've clearly explained why it makes sense for the Blazers (you can disagree and that's fine, but don't ask "what makes you think..." as I already explained why).

Blazers rank 27th in the league in RPG. Wallace is averaging 11 + since Skiles left and 9 on the year.

Blazers are the youngest team in the league. Wallace and Stoudamire have been through significant playoff battles.

The West has Stoudamire, Boozer, Duncan, etc. Wallace is a former DPLY.

Again, feel free to disagree but don't be a jerk about it. I clearly gave reasons.

You're acting as if I included Aldridge...

DanTown8587 · Post #8 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:40 pm

No need to change the chemistry of this team and add a player like Wallace, who has not endeared himself to his teammates and fans in Chicago. And if Jack were expandable because of Rodriguez, he wouldn't get the playtime he has.

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #9 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:07 pm

I think you are missing one important point in the LaFrentz for Wallace swap.

Yes its only one extra year, but as the Blazers are set up now with LaFrentz's salaries both coming off the books in the same offseason they will have money to spend on a max or near max free agent. That extra year of Wallace severly limits or eliminates that.

Besides, even if they "make noise" in the playoffs, Wallace isn't pushing them over the edge. They are better off sticking to what they have for the marginal upgrade in a season where they are already exceeding expectations.

TOMSPY77 · Post #10 » by **TOMSPY77** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:05 pm

I like the trade, the Bulls need something to be changed as far as their players, but I also am not sure about giving up Noah so young, that may come back to bite us in the behind.

TradeMachine · Post #11 » by **TradeMachine** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:38 pm

Yeah the Blazers aren't a strong rebounding team and lack toughness inside. But we have one of the most highly touted players ever filling that role next season. Kevin Pritchard has already said that the Blazers will not do anything to mess with the chemistry this season or the future.

Further more:

LaFrentz's contract > Ben's mediocre production

James Jones >>> Damon/Duhon (and why the hell do we need another PG?)

Jarrett Jack > Viktor

No thanks.

Post #12 » by **nate33** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:56 pm

The ultimate problem is that nobody wants Ben Wallace. Memphis doesn't want him so that's why you brought in Portland. But Portland doesn't want him either.

I just don't see how you are going to be able have Wallace serve as the "filler" in a Gasol trade. You can try to launder him through however many 3rd parties you want, but it's never going to make that 3rd party happy.

HotSpurs21 · Post #13 » by **HotSpurs21** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:03 pm

Grizz won't take Nocioni's long deal if they're to trade Gasol. Find someone who'll give you a combo of youth/pick/expirings for Noce.

hptmatthew · Post #14 » by **hptmatthew** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:14 pm

Grizzlies would LOVE to get rid of cardinal...but this price is a bit high, IMO.

Besides...no way the Grizzlies make a significant move this season-Wallace and Iavaroni have been chanting the "just be patient, give it time" mantra incessantly.

Not that I agree with their view, but that's how it is.

b_roy7 · Post #15 » by **b_roy7** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:15 pm

Portland does it IMO, if Jones and Stoudamire are taken out and Raef is replaced with Miles and an '09 1st(possibly protected).

EDIT: But I don't think the other teams do it.

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #16 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:20 pm

The fact is that Chicago fans need to accept we are stuck with Wallace, hope we can milk all the talent he has left for the next season and a half and then trading him as an expiring contract.

The front court minutes are a concern, but we have other viable options to clear those minutes. ie-Trade Nocioni

b_roy7 · Post #17 » by **b_roy7** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:23 pm

And btw, is it me, or does Raef disappear off the face of the earth?

Cliff Levingston · Post #18 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:27 pm

While this trade helps Portland, it's not enough for them to make it.

dflaschberger · Post #19 » by **dflaschberger** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:34 pm

a few teams might take Wallace-how about Lakers (kwame's expiring and Vlad) is obvious.

NY might-they need D BADLY (if Zach goes to MILW we could absorb Danny G and something else)

he is not playing badly, he is just WAY over paid

breaker91 · Post #20 » by **breaker91** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:55 pm

My first reaction to this deal was to supress the vomit that was coming up my wind pipe. My second was that this must be some kind of delayed revenge post for all those Zach to Chicago deals Blazer fans posted in the past.

You're right that Portland is one of the weakest rebounding teams, but adding Wallace is a short term fix with long term salary implications. There is no need for Portland to do this when Oden will be back next year.

James Jones is also not a throw in. He is a great outside shooter and a solid defender. It is no coincidence this team started winning games when he was able to play significant minutes. Most Blazer fans feel he is part of the future and would prefer to keep him over Webster.