Denver nuggets vs Los angeles lakers 7 game series

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Who win's in a 7 game series?

Poll ended at Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:30 am

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Post#81 » by Bgil » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:24 pm

Just yesterday a LA fan tried to argue me down about whether Kobe was in foul trouble. He even went as far as to say, Kobe only got one foul guarding AI. When the game play by play transcript is right there on espn for all to see. And when I posted the play by play transcript which clearly recorded Kobe having three fouls in five minutes guarding AI, suddenly the guy dissappeared and everybody acted like they didnt see the post.


Because it's a known fact you're full of it.

Kobe had 4 fouls for the game.
Foul 1 comes with 47 seconds left in the first... against JR Smith.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbypla ... 7&period=1
Foul 4 comes with 11:22 left in the third and is an offensive foul.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbypla ... 7&period=3

A little birdie tells me that 3 more fouls guarding AI is not possible but I'll let you be the judge.

they still find a way to overrate him and the lakers through something subjective like defense or "making other players better."


Yeah, I mean, who values defense? :crazy: Or Fisher suddenly shooting nearly 50% overall and 44% from deep. I don't seem to remember threads about Fisher being the best free agent pick-up when he went to Golden State and lost his job to speedy Claxton or when he went to Utah.

Now suddenly we have people saying Fish pickup >> Grant Hill pickup.

Here's a press release from the Heat after they gladly gave Smush more than a 3x raise:
MIAMI -- Free-agent point guard Smush Parker signed Friday with the Miami Heat, his seventh team since turning pro in 2002.

The deal came after the Heat failed to land several other point guards they pursued, including Mo Williams, Steve Francis and Steve Blake.

"We feel very good about acquiring Smush," coach Pat Riley said in a statement. "He brings size, shooting and defense to our backcourt. He has been improving every year, and we feel that this could be his best year yet."

Parker helped guide the Los Angeles Lakers to the playoffs in each of his two seasons as their starting point guard. They were over the salary cap and didn't try to re-sign him.

He played in all 164 games the past two seasons, averaging 11.3 points, 3.2 assists, 1.6 steals and 32 minutes.

Parker is one of four players with at least 110 steals and 110 3-point field goals in each of the past two seasons. Gilbert Arenas, Kobe Bryant and Jason Kidd are the others.

Parker went undrafted in 2002 and was with Cleveland, Atlanta, Charlotte, Detroit and Phoenix before joining the Lakers.

"We are excited to bring Smush to Miami," Heat general manager Randy Pfund said. "He's a talented young player who brings good size and athleticism to our point-guard position. Smush has been the starting point guard of a playoff team the past two seasons, and we believe he has his best years ahead of him."


He's played in 9 games so far.

And let's consider the case of Luke "couldn't hit a shot coming out of college" Walton LEADING THE LEAGUE in 3 point percentage for a good portion of last year.

Or Jumaine Jones shooting .391 from 3 the year he was with us and .295 the year before with another team.

Or Jordan Farmar's shaky jumper turning into .480 fg% and .397 from 3.

Or Lamar Odom shooting averaging 43% before the Lakers and 48% with us (currently at 49% this year).

Or Kwame "Bust" Brown shooting 45% in 4 years in Washington and 55% in the 3 years in LA.

Trevor Ariza is shooting 55.7 percent overall and 37.5% from 3 with us.

Even Laron Profit looked like a solid pickup when he played here. Had he not blown out his ACL in 62vs61 game vs Dallas then he might be driving a Ferrari like Smush too.

You're in denial if you can't see that Kobe makes players better.

P.S. how's Brian Cook and Mo Evans looking in Orlando?
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Post#82 » by black06eclipse » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:48 pm

the only person on the Lakers who can slow down Iverson is obviously Kobe. Ariza? He guarded him on and off in the 4th quarter after AI already dropped 51. George Karl even admitted that Iverson was dead tired by the 3rd quarter. the most impressive thing was that A.I. dropped 5 or 6 assists in the 4th quarter with Kobe drapped on him. Iverson found another way to be effective. thats the definition of being unstoppable vs a team.


no one can guard Kobe.
Kobe can guard Melo. but if you do that AI is going off.

lots of matchup problems in this series. this would be a good series.
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Post#83 » by Bgil » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:07 pm

Kobe can guard Melo. but if you do that AI is going off.


Ariza. Last season Farmar put the clamps on AI too.
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Post#84 » by sodmoraes » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:11 pm

Bgil wrote:
Kobe can guard Melo. but if you do that AI is going off.


Ariza. Last season Farmar put the clamps on AI too.


lakers fans are dilusional...farmar the ai stopper :rofl: :rofl:
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Post#85 » by Bgil » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:24 pm

sodmoraes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



lakers fans are dilusional...farmar the ai stopper :rofl: :rofl:


I'm not saying he's an AI stopper just that it's not a given AI's gonna go off on him. I'm more worried about Melo lighting us up on a consistent basis then the occasional outburst from AI. He's not gonna score 48 on us every night... and even if when he did they still lost that game.
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Post#86 » by ImmortalD24 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:00 pm

Lakers in 4.
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Post#87 » by farzi » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:31 pm

Nuggets in 6
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Post#88 » by icewill36 » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:55 pm

i say whoever gets home court advantage.

but i feel people are overrating the lakers a little bit.
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Post#89 » by NetsForce » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:57 pm

Lakers in 5 or 6. Probably 5.
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Post#90 » by ambiglight » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:17 pm

Bgil wrote:
Just yesterday a LA fan tried to argue me down about whether Kobe was in foul trouble. He even went as far as to say, Kobe only got one foul guarding AI. When the game play by play transcript is right there on espn for all to see. And when I posted the play by play transcript which clearly recorded Kobe having three fouls in five minutes guarding AI, suddenly the guy dissappeared and everybody acted like they didnt see the post.


Because it's a known fact you're full of it.

Kobe had 4 fouls for the game.
Foul 1 comes with 47 seconds left in the first... against JR Smith.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbypla ... 7&period=1
Foul 4 comes with 11:22 left in the third and is an offensive foul.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbypla ... 7&period=3

A little birdie tells me that 3 more fouls guarding AI is not possible but I'll let you be the judge.


You don't see that ALLEN IVERSON'S NAME IS CLEARLY listed as drawing that offensive foul off of KOBE. I even put the timestamps beside them so you could find it. Can't even admit when you're wrong. :crazy:
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Post#91 » by dockingsched » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:20 pm

you do realize that in the post he quoted u said he had 3 fouls GUARDING ai right? an offensive foul is not GUARDING ai.
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Post#92 » by ambiglight » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:49 pm

[quote="JellosJigglin"][/quote]

I think I've proven my point. The game record itself backs up what I've said. Somebody even had the nerve to say Kobe only fouled AI one time. I provided evidence to the contrary. To hear some tell it, the lakers have never fouled anyone ever, let alone the best guard at drawing fouls in the past decade. l :roll: I mean are people really believing that Kobe is better at defense than AI is at offense?

I wonder if some of these folks have ever "seen" kobe get outplayed. Because just from the posts on realgm its clear that never happens.

He can shoot 37% and somebody will say, he was getting hacked all night. He can get into foul trouble because he fouled the same player 3 times in five minutes and some laker fan will say he was playing great defense. Newsflash people. Not everything kobe does is right. Kobe can and does get beat just like everybody else. That doesn't make him less of a player. Thats just being human trying to stay in front of some of the best ball players on the planet.

But some of these folks that worship at church of kobe can't even recognize kobe's having a subpar year BECAUSE of the fact his team is playing well. I think its time for folks to start considering the possibility that the team has carried him at times this year like that LA/Denver game, just like he's done them in the past.

The bench, bynums play and fisher's leadership are being completely overshadowed as the key to their resurgence while folks try to make a case for Kobe being the MVP as a difference maker. but it doesnt work that way. Nobody can make up for the fact that in the years he really was a MVP type player, the lakers sucked.

We can't just ignore he's not having that type of year and NOW give it to him based on past play because the team is a contender. Put simply there are several players outplaying Kobe right now. AI being one of them. When playoffs come around there's a good chance the lakers will see denver and all this wild speculation will be put to rest. But its a HUGE assumption that in a conference where 3 through 8 are only seperated by one or two games that any of those teams is the clear cut favorite in a match-up. This season has been exciting because nobody is beating everybody. And you never know who's going to win a game. San Antonio got beat by denver and golden state just the other day. Only to watch denver get wiped out by the suns and golden state get beat by the lakers. This is a good season buddy. Enjoy the unpredictability of it and dont let your fanism cloud your judgment thinking that the lakers are head and shoulders above anybody else in the conference that they are lock getting out of the first round.
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Post#93 » by ambiglight » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:00 am

dcash4 wrote:you do realize that in the post he quoted u said he had 3 fouls GUARDING ai right? an offensive foul is not GUARDING ai.


So i take it you missed the part where he said kobe only fouled AI one time. Problem with selective attention huh? :wink:

I showed the game play by play which clearly showed he fouled AI three times. TWO DEFENSIVE fouls and ONE OFFENSIVE foul, each coming as a result of his play against AI.

AKA. AI drew three fouls on Kobe, putting Kobe in foul trouble.

I can understand wanting to make distinction between an offensive foul and a defensive foul, but even in making that distinction it doesnt change the fact KOBE had two defensive fouls NOT one and in actuality compounded his poor defense by fouling AI on the offensive end of the floor, which resulted in Kobe having to watch the game from the bench.

Point stands, Kobe got into foul trouble guarding AI.
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Post#94 » by caborn » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:09 am

The Lakers trouble could come from Allen Iverson. HOWEVER, the Lakers would prefer to have Fisher take on AI (and Fish is a decent defender at best) and let him shoot as much as he wants, rather than double him and give other players great opportunities. He'll start missing them at some point... sort of how some teams use this tactic against Kobe.
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Post#95 » by PopAGat » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:17 am

Carmelo+A.I. Enough Said.

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Post#96 » by Day in the Life » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:30 am

^^Lakers bench >>>> Nuggets Bench.

Lakers coaching staff >>>>Nuggets coaching staff

Lakers defense >>>>>Nuggets defense.


lakers in 5-6.
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Post#97 » by Derekman » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:41 am

kobe+bynum. Enough said.

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Post#98 » by Bgil » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:48 am

[quote="ambiglight"][/quote]

You're shifting goal posts. Kobe didn't get 3 fouls from guarding AI, period. He got one foul guarding AI and another IIRC was the foul he got when he was guarding someone else and went to help.

AI got locked down by Kobe and Ariza in the 4th and Denver lost the game.

The Nuggets have 4 all-stars or former all-stars on their team and Kobe is the only one on his team. Hell, Denver made the playoffs and were just disappointing even before AI was on the team. They aren't any better now then they were then so how can AI suddenly be MVP?
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Post#99 » by corona » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 am

Lakers bench >>>> Nuggets Bench.

yes

Lakers coaching staff >>>>Nuggets coaching staff

yes

Lakers defense >>>>>Nuggets defense.

no

from an analyst/sports writer....since what i post regularly about denver's defense hasn't gotten through to realgm yet:
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/art ... ticleid=80
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Post#100 » by Jules Winnfield » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:36 am

corona wrote:
Lakers bench >>>> Nuggets Bench.

yes

Lakers coaching staff >>>>Nuggets coaching staff

yes

Lakers defense >>>>>Nuggets defense.

no

from an analyst/sports writer....since what i post regularly about denver's defense hasn't gotten through to realgm yet:
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/art ... ticleid=80


Lakers defense is better.

The Lakers hold their opponents to fewer points per game than Denver. Laker opponents shoot a lower percentage than Denver opponents. Laker opponents shoot worse from three than Denver opponents. Laker opponents get fewer rebounds than Denver opponents. Lakers have a higher rebound differential than Denver. Lakers have a higher margin of victory than Denver.

Denver gets more steals (they gamble ALOT) and Denver gets more Blocks (thanks Marcus).

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