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Post#1 » by HMFFL » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:41 pm

The Mavericks were No. 1 last season. They lost in the first round to Golden State.

It's doubtful the Warriors will be the top seed this season. Then again, the way West superpowers San Antonio, Dallas and Phoenix are going, perhaps each wouldn't mind seeing Golden State carry that torch.

When the Spurs fell Monday to, yes, the Warriors, it meant every team in the West had double-digit losses. Dallas last season didn't become the final West team to lose a 10th game until March 12 and Phoenix didn't get there until Feb. 3.

"I've never seen so many teams with double-digit losses so early," Nuggets guard Anthony Carter said.

But there isn't a lot of grumbling among the West's elite. Not that this is interrupt-soap-operas news, but there seems to be a renewed sense the NBA regular season is overrated.

"I know, ultimately, it comes down to the playoffs," said Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki, whose team is 24-11 this season compared with a 27-8 start last season, when Dallas finished 67-15. "So whatever we do in the regular season, nobody is going to believe in us anyway."

Sounds as if Nowitzki has compared notes with Suns forward Grant Hill.


Jostling for Jones

Not surprisingly, there was interest in forward Bobby Jones after he was waived Monday by the Nuggets.

Jones said Portland was intrigued but needed to make a trade due to having the maximum of 15 players. He said San Antonio and Dallas also called his agent, although the Mavericks also have 15.

Jones chose Memphis. He signed a 10-day contract Thursday, which he hopes will lead to a deal for the rest of the season.

"I know they're not doing that well right now, but this is probably the best place for me to get some playing time," he said.

As for the Nuggets letting him go, Jones said "some of it was money and some was so they could have some open roster spots" for possible future moves. The Nuggets, deep into the luxury tax, saved roughly $820,000.

The Nuggets have a $2.95 million trade exception that expires today. But it's unlikely they will use it.

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Post#2 » by Realmavsman » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:52 pm

I remember the draft profile of Bobby Jones coming out of college. He was suppose to be the best defensive player of that years draft class. He only scored 11 ppg for Washington but he was suppose to be able to guard 3-4 positions with his abilities.

I am not sure why the Mavs would be interested unless they are ready to give up on Ager. I am ready to give up on him but are the Mavs? And with Reyshawn Terry still out there who can also play some defense and is a much better offensive player than Bobby Jones I am not sure why the Mavs would bother with Jones.
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Post#3 » by JES12 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:59 pm

Anthony Carter is right. As long as 16 of 30 teams makes the playoffs, an team within a game or two of .500 ball have a chance at the playoffs making the 82 games over-rated.

In Baseball, only 8 teams make the playoffs (4 each league). In Football, only 12 of 32 teams make it and the 4 that try the hardest are rewarded with a 1st round bye. In those sports, the regualr season means something, but not the NBA.
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Post#4 » by dirkforpres » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:37 pm

Trade Ager and Juwan for a draft pick, and then you have 2 spots for Webber and Jones!!!
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Post#5 » by SaintofKillers » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:16 am

Realmavsman wrote:I remember the draft profile of Bobby Jones coming out of college. He was suppose to be the best defensive player of that years draft class.


Nope, it was Corey Belser (DPotY) who played for our Summer League team.

Jones is redundant though. We have too many "defensive specialists" that doesn't do anything else and guys like that are DNP recipients. We already have a similar player that might potentially develop into something special stashed away in Europe.
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Post#6 » by Realmavsman » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:13 pm

SaintofKillers wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Nope, it was Corey Belser (DPotY) who played for our Summer League team.

Jones is redundant though. We have too many "defensive specialists" that doesn't do anything else and guys like that are DNP recipients. We already have a similar player that might potentially develop into something special stashed away in Europe.


Maybe it was the best defender of the pool of guys who actually had a chance at being drafted.

Quote from scout.com:
Jones is described by some as the
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Post#7 » by catalyst » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:11 pm

This is alot of discussion over a guy who would not play if he was signed here
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Post#8 » by Whateva » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:42 pm

The Mavs already have Trenton Hassel as a defensive stopper, and they don't play him
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Post#9 » by SaintofKillers » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:28 am

Whateva wrote:The Mavs already have Trenton Hassel as a defensive stopper, and they don't play him


Exactly. There's only one uni-dimensional player to log heavy minutes for Avery and that's Griffin (and he was pretty good as long as you don't expect him to shoot jumpers) -- the rest have been fixtures on DNP lists.

Say, can't we bring him back? It wouldn't be that hard, Ager or a 2nd rounder would do it. He was at least more useful/productive than any other SG we have except maybe for EJ.
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Post#10 » by Teffer10 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:50 am

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Exactly. There's only one uni-dimensional player to log heavy minutes for Avery and that's Griffin (and he was pretty good as long as you don't expect him to shoot jumpers) -- the rest have been fixtures on DNP lists.

Say, can't we bring him back? It wouldn't be that hard, Ager or a 2nd rounder would do it. He was at least more useful/productive than any other SG we have except maybe for EJ.


How is Sebutis doing??? I don't hear much about him.
He seemed to be a very active player in the Summer league and I wouldn't mind seeing him take Ager's spot next season.

We should trade Ager to the Pistons for their 2nd round pick...time to give up on him.
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Post#11 » by dirtyfilthynasty » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:26 pm

JES12 wrote:Anthony Carter is right. As long as 16 of 30 teams makes the playoffs, an team within a game or two of .500 ball have a chance at the playoffs making the 82 games over-rated.

In Baseball, only 8 teams make the playoffs (4 each league). In Football, only 12 of 32 teams make it and the 4 that try the hardest are rewarded with a 1st round bye. In those sports, the regualr season means something, but not the NBA.


First of all, Anthony Carter never implied that the regular season doesn't matter. Second, the Warriors are the eighth ranked team and are 23-17, which is better than a game or two above .500. Third, the regular season will always be important as far as seeding and home court advantage go. Do you really believe the Mavericks don't care where they are seeded in the playoffs?
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Post#12 » by JES12 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:52 pm

Okay, I re-read that and you are right...it wasn't Anthony Carter, it was the author of the article.

No, I don't think they care where they are seeded....1-8 don't matter. There is 11.7% difference from the best in the west and the 8th seed. Positioning is not predictable this year.

Maybe in the West, but the east has a .500 team and a sub-.500 ranked 7 and 8. Still, even in the West, the #9 and 10 seeds are knocking on the door within 2 games of .500.
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Post#13 » by dirtyfilthynasty » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:23 pm

JES12 wrote:Okay, I re-read that and you are right...it wasn't Anthony Carter, it was the author of the article.

No, I don't think they care where they are seeded....1-8 don't matter. There is 11.7% difference from the best in the west and the 8th seed. Positioning is not predictable this year.

Maybe in the West, but the east has a .500 team and a sub-.500 ranked 7 and 8. Still, even in the West, the #9 and 10 seeds are knocking on the door within 2 games of .500.


Are you saying home court doesn't matter to anyone???
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Post#14 » by JES12 » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:48 am

I'm saying I think they would rather be a little more lax the first 40 games of the regular season compaired to winning 1 game on the road in the playoffs.

So, yeah...that's exactly what I am saying.

This isn't exactly the NFL where its one and done. Home court does not mean nearly as much as it does in the NFL.

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