Marc Stein: Rockets and bulls talking trade (McGrady)

[Jordan45822]

Let New York have McGrahospitial (IF Houston trades him which is doubtful)

[Biggame 33]

Tracy Mcgrady and Luther Head to the Bulls

Ben Wallace,Chris Duhon and Ben Gorden to the Rockets.

Successful trade and everyone will be happy both ways.

[Hold That]

I'm actually close to locking this thread. This probably the most unrealistic trade discussion I have ever read on this board. I see people throwing out bad ideas (for Houston) and running with it to an extreme.

Doesn't anyone think that Houston could get much better offers for TMac than the garbage being bandied about here?

I wouldn't blame you, theres no link no articles or nothing at all that is feeding this one shot in the dark rumor by Stein.

This rumor has zero legs what so ever, and we've heard nothing mentioned about these "talks" since this thread was opened.

If it was really serious, there would have atleast been another article written on this again. Especially considering the current state of the Bulls right now.

[Puertorique]

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I wouldn't blame you, theres no link no articles or nothing at all that is feeding this one shot in the dark rumor by Stein.

This rumor has zero legs what so ever, and we've heard nothing mentioned about these "talks" since this thread was opened.

If it was really serious, there would have atleast been another article written on this again. Especially considering the current state of the Bulls right now.

Not sure how legit they are but the Chicago sun is mentioning the rumors also. Still might not have any legs but they mention it also.

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[Ralphb07]

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Not sure how legit they are but the Chicago sun is mentioning the rumors also. Still might not have any legs but they mention it also.

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Yeah I saw that today as well, it was on ESPN rumor central.


Also Stein never said serious talks or anything like that, he said exploratory talks. Paxson has said he will keep everything quiet, so that could be a reason nothing has linked out too much.


As far as a deal, I just dont get how everyone is adding Wallace in the mix. Houston won't want Wallace. I think a deal to get Tmac would most definitely have to include Gordon,Noc and Tyrus for him with a filler, or atleast Noc,Gordon and Smith with maybe Sef as the filler

[BuffaloBull]

Something that hasn't been discussed with these rumors is the cap ramifications for both teams. Now I myself don't think the trade is likely to happen, but unless Houston really really likes Noc or Hinrich, they won't be going in the trade.

Why?

Well, right now Houston is about two million over the luxury tax. Due to Hinrich and Noc being BYC this year, the bulls could only take back 50% of their value in a trade, give or take the trade match. This means that unless a 3rd party with a trade exception or cap space gets involved, the bulls would have more going out than going in, meaning on Houston's end, they get a higher tax bill.

On the other hand, if the bulls trade away less salary than they get back, they could put houston under the tax threshold, thereby saving them approx. 6 million dollars this year (4 mill from being 2 mill over the cap, + 2 mill in tax payouts the teams under the lux get from the paying teams).

So one trade that is legal and works from a money standpoint is

McGrady, Mike James and Luther Head

for Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon and Thabo Sefolosha

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381~3028~885~2763~1051~532&teams=10~10~10~4~4~4&te=&cash=

This trade puts Houston under the lux tax and doesn't put chicago over. But the takeaway point of all of this is financially, Noc and Kirk make no sense for the Rockets.

[Bullsnut]

n conversations with several general managers and player personnel directors within the last week, here is a list of some

[Hold That]

I wonder if we could get Josh Smith, I'd trade any player on our team for Josh truth be known.

[dougthonus]

As far as a deal, I just dont get how everyone is adding Wallace in the mix.

It's basically impossible to construct a deal without Ben Wallace in it.

You have to include way too many players otherwise where roster rules become a huge issue.

[BULLHITTER]

I wonder if we could get Josh Smith, I'd trade any player on our team for Josh truth be known.

easily impressed, huh?

[The ROY]

As far as a deal, I just dont get how everyone is adding Wallace in the mix.

It's basically impossible to construct a deal without Ben Wallace in it.

You have to include way too many players otherwise where roster rules become a huge issue.

Isn't this a good thing then?

I'd love to get rid of Ben for T-Mac...

not so much for T-Mac but mainly cause the young bigs will play...

[dougthonus]

Isn't this a good thing then?

I'd love to get rid of Ben for T-Mac...

not so much for T-Mac but mainly cause the young bigs will play...

I think it's a thing that means no trade will get done.

The thought that Houston wouldn't want Wallace is almost certainly accurate, but it's just tough to match salary otherwise when Kirk and Noc are BYC.

[Cliff Levingston]

Something that hasn't been discussed with these rumors is the cap ramifications for both teams. Now I myself don't think the trade is likely to happen, but unless Houston really really likes Noc or Hinrich, they won't be going in the trade.

Why?

Well, right now Houston is about two million over the luxury tax. Due to Hinrich and Noc being BYC this year, the bulls could only take back 50% of their value in a trade, give or take the trade match. This means that unless a 3rd party with a trade exception or cap space gets involved, the bulls would have more going out than going in, meaning on Houston's end, they get a higher tax bill.

On the other hand, if the bulls trade away less salary than they get back, they could put houston under the tax threshold, thereby saving them approx. 6 million dollars this year (4 mill from being 2 mill over the cap, + 2 mill in tax payouts the teams under the lux get from the paying teams).

So one trade that is legal and works from a money standpoint is

McGrady, Mike James and Luther Head

for Ben Wallace, Ben Gordon and Thabo Sefolosha

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381~3028~885~2763~1051~532&teams=10~10~10~4~4~4&te=&cash=

This trade puts Houston under the lux tax and doesn't put chicago over. But the takeaway point of all of this is financially, Noc and Kirk make no sense for the Rockets.

Doesn't make much sense for us either then. We've got an owner who's among the most luxury tax conscious, and Pax is basically on record as saying "we will not spend over the luxury tax."

[rocket_zoom]

Sorry, TMac doesn't want to go to Chicago. He said it himself (click on the TMac picture on the right to play the video):

http://www.click2houston.com/sports/index.html

[ATRAIN53]

i'm all about T-Mac to the Bulls for whoever/whatever if he's really on the block.

if he's moved and the Bulls miss out and i hear the word 'Deng' as part of the reason why...

"We talked a lot about parameters, but specific things, we never got down to the nuts and bolts of it because there was never a deal to be done," Paxson said. "That's the reality of it. People can make it what they want. But it's time to put it to rest."

"Who knows?" Paxson conceded. "I don't have a crystal ball. The reality is right now it's done. A lot of people are searching for information, and it becomes ridiculous. It's not fair to the players. It's not fair to us. I don't like seeing our guys' names in the paper all the time about stuff that's not based on fact. It's time to move on."

feel free to recycle as needed

[xcomputerman]

Also, Rockets GM Daryl Morey was on radio a few days ago clearly stating that all these rumors are bogus, they have no intention whatsoever of trading McGrady and that all the stuff about him being unhappy is untrue -- on the contrary, he has expressed many times how happy he is to be in Houston and how excited he is about the way the team has played in his absence.

One would hope the outside media would finally shut up about these rumors, but my guess is they won't.

[xcomputerman]

Don't bother getting your hopes up. Paxson called Morey and asked about T-Mac. Morey probably listened long enough for him to make a range of offers, plainly told him no and the conversation ended.