OT - steroids

[hype_2004]

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Fair play is nothing but an ideal concept, like I said it is up to the owners/commisioner and team union leaders to enforce and set policies, whether they lead to "an even playing field" is entirely irrelevant. The government/Feds have no right to intervene in such matters, that is my beleifs/position on this issue, it's a free country isn't it? and in a free country nothing is ever "fair" but we'll all be treated equally and most of all be free to do whatever the hell we want.

[dacrusha]

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The Fairplay blurb is right on the money, though it's interesting how it doesn't touch on Fairplay and the 'Rights of Fans' who pay big bucks to watch these athletes perform.

This is the aspect of the steroids debate that has me most upset: how do I know that Team A actually defeated Team B fair and square? And if they didn't, should I be entitled to a refund because of the fraud that has been committed?

[hype_2004]

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The Fairplay blurb is right on the money, though it's interesting how it doesn't touch on Fairplay and the 'Rights of Fans' who pay big bucks to watch these athletes perform.

This is the aspect of the steroids debate that has me most upset: how do I know that Team A actually defeated Team B fair and square? And if they didn't, should I be entitled to a refund because of the fraud that has been committed?

You as a fan have the right to voice your opinion on the issue, you also ahev the right not to support anyone/anytihing that you don't agree with. You can take the NBA/teams in a court of law and put forward a legal challenge, but you also have to be aware of the policy of buying tickets, does it say anywhere on the NBA/Teams page anything remotely close to getting refunded based on morality/ethical disagreements? If not then you absolutely have no case, the formal investigation that you have to fund will drain you all of your money, now if you can petition a few thousand other season ticket holders than maybe you can go far, but why take that extreme route? best case scenario in a free society don't go an buy tickets into the games, stop supporting the team altogether and spread your message/influenec your colleagues and others to d the same.

[dirtybird]

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My opinion of usage of performance enhancing drugs on the pro-sports, The US government has no right to enforce and intervene in such an internal matter in regards to private league and oragnizations. This is nothing but a morality witch-hunt by the Feds on all accounts.

If people are breaking federal law, I don't see why the government has no right to look into things. People are quick to break out the term witch-hunt as a way to legitimize the status quo.

[hype_2004]

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If people are breaking federal law, I don't see why the government has no right to look into things. People are quick to break out the term witch-hunt as a way to legitimize the status quo.

Yeah that's all fine and dandy but they are not, let me repeat this not breaking any concocted pseudo "FEDERAL' Law. The "US" government has no right to enforce their morality police on private organizations, it's simply "UNCONSTITUTIONAL" , it's written right there in that piece of paper regrding the domestic policies written by the forefathers of America. The American gov't is nothing but a police state. This is my philosophical/political take on the matter, I'll discuss it no further. If you want to know more learn about the US constitution/ bill of rights and Libertarianism(the US forefathers were radical libertarians).

[Fairview4Life]

Yeah, they are breaking the law by lying to a grand jury. As far as I know, steroids are also a controlled substance, like cocaine. So posessing or using or whatever would be breaking the law. Even if you do use the word pseudo.

[hype_2004]

Yeah, they are breaking the law by lying to a grand jury. As far as I know, steroids are also a controlled substance, like cocaine. So posessing or using or whatever would be breaking the law. Even if you do use the word pseudo.

The war on drugs in the US has failed miserably, many minorities are serving 25 to life sentences for minor drug possesions, the controlled substances is nothing but a policy enforced by political/corporate lobbyists in washington primarily the crazy racists Evangelicals and the profiteering big Pharmaceutical companies.

[whoknows]

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The Fairplay blurb is right on the money, though it's interesting how it doesn't touch on Fairplay and the 'Rights of Fans' who pay big bucks to watch these athletes perform.

This is the aspect of the steroids debate that has me most upset: how do I know that Team A actually defeated Team B fair and square? And if they didn't, should I be entitled to a refund because of the fraud that has been committed?

that's the small sacrifice that you need to put up with since hype_2004 says:

in a free country nothing is ever "fair"

In all seriousness, a democratic country in the way hype_2004 presents it, it is not too far from anarchy.

Believe me, I am against most aspects of government interference (too much already), but in some cases the federal authority has to be exercised.

Our kids & future needs protection that in many cases a business oriented private organization can not provide.
After all, most of starting athletes are young and inexperienced and they will have no choice but following the "sports culture" when they join in.

Would you be comfortable to see your kids pumping chemicals in their body just to keep up and have a chance to success in sports.

How about safety rules in private companies? Do you expect the owner to provide the safety for its employees if no federal interference will ever touch the owner?

[Fairview4Life]

The war on drugs in the US has failed miserably, many minorities are serving 25 to life sentences for minor drug possesions, the controlled substances is nothing but a policy enforced by political/corporate lobbyists in washington primarily the crazy racists Evangelicals and the profiteering big Pharmaceutical companies.

Sure. Go to the current affairs board and debate the merits of anti drug laws to your hearts content. But saying they didn't break the law is still incorrect. Or that the governement via the police can't interfere in a private organization when people in that organization are breaking the law. That's clearly nonsense.

Jones lied to a grand jury (I think), which is why she was sentenced. It's also what Bonds is up on charges for I believe.

[C Court]

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While we're playing this game (well, it seems I'm the only one who enjoys these games), how about T-Mac? He left Toronto a skinny kid...and then 4 months later in Orlando he was like 15lbs bigger!

The NBA drug sytem is a joke.

Yes. Miraculously T-Mac went from lanky teenager to a muscular specimen over the summer. Now his body is breaking down in his 20's.

Anyone have a good look at Karl Malone? Something tells me the mailman was delivering more than just the mail.

While we're at it, seems to me that Antonio Davis had a physique that was unusually muscular.

Of course, our own Hoffa served a two year FIBA suspension for testing positive for nandralone. Now he is surprisingly 20 - 30 lbs lighter.

Are steroids in the NBA? What do you think?

[C Court]

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Sure. Go to the current affairs board and debate the merits of anti drug laws to your hearts content. But saying they didn't break the law is still incorrect. Or that the governement via the police can't interfere in a private organization when people in that organization are breaking the law. That's clearly nonsense.

Jones lied to a grand jury (I think), which is why she was sentenced. It's also what Bonds is up on charges for I believe.

The bigger offences which resulted in her incarceration was the check fraud scheme, followed by lying to a Grand Jury.

[basketball420]

How bout Lebron.

That Man was huge at 19.
And I hear he's got a little pecker.

I have to ask if you were joking...

[mtr15]

What about KG? He is currently around 240-250 lbs and about 10 years ago he was around 210-215.

[hype_2004]

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Sure. Go to the current affairs board and debate the merits of anti drug laws to your hearts content. But saying they didn't break the law is still incorrect. Or that the governement via the police can't interfere in a private organization when people in that organization are breaking the law. That's clearly nonsense.

Jones lied to a grand jury (I think), which is why she was sentenced. It's also what Bonds is up on charges for I believe.

Lat time I've heard the American society if founded as a "REPUBLIC" and is governed by a small piece of paper called the "CONSTITUTION", read the US constitution and the amendments and get back to me. The US Fed gov't with it's uncontrolled interventionist police policies both domestic and foreign are casuing so much problem for everyone, millions are dying, and many more are persecuted/tortured without due process, guity before being proven innocent.

[hype_2004]

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The bigger offences which resulted in her incarceration was the check fraud scheme, followed by lying to a Grand Jury.

In that case she should be accountable and prosecuted under the court of law, but her using steroids to gain an advantage is not by any means is not a criminal offense.

[LLJ]

What about KG? He is currently around 240-250 lbs and about 10 years ago he was around 210-215.

Maybe, but it's easier to believe you can gain 20+ lbs over 5 years, let alone 10, through natural means rather than miraculously over a few months.

[dacrusha]

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Lat time I've heard the American society if founded as a "REPUBLIC" and is governed by a small piece of paper called the "CONSTITUTION", read the US constitution and the amendments and get back to me. The US Fed gov't with it's uncontrolled interventionist police policies both domestic and foreign are casuing so much problem for everyone, millions are dying, and many more are persecuted/tortured without due process, guity before being proven innocent.

Thanks for the Strawman tactics but let's keep this topic where it started: keeping drug cheaters out of professional sports.

[whoknows]

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I have to ask if you were joking...

he probably quoted Allison Mathis trash talk from the game...