OT: Will Smith recruited to Scientology

[bluefear]

actually, both of these scenarios are unprovable, only one is more logical because its been engrained into societies and culture.

the bottom line is people will believe want they want to believe. scientology is just as valid to christains, muslims whatever..

now me,, i could less about any of that stuff.

[MagicFan3]

actually, both of these scenarios are unprovable, only one is more logical because its been engrained into societies and culture.

the bottom line is people will believe want they want to believe. scientology is just as valid to christains, muslims whatever..

now me,, i could less about any of that stuff.

Both are unprovable, but Scientology is just going over the top.

[bluefear]

i don't think theres a right or wrong here..

i'd say those are both equally over the top ideas, both one is embraced because its been around for thousands of years.

do you think religion is about money by the way?

[MagicFan3]

i don't think theres a right or wrong here..

i'd say those are both equally over the top ideas, both one is embraced because its been around for thousands of years.

do you think religion is about money by the way?

Well, considering the fact that most, if not all religions make significant amounts of money each year through "donations", I'd say money is a fairly large factor.

[bluefear]

anyways, Will Smith eh...it's funny how everyone can jump on his back for his beliefs, yet expect people to respect their own...(ps.. i noticed i made some grammatical/spelling errors)

[MagicFan3]

anyways, Will Smith eh...it's funny how everyone can jump on his back for his beliefs, yet expect people to respect their own...(ps.. i noticed i made some grammatical/spelling errors)

It's moreso the fact that he seems to have a revolving door of beliefs.

[Max Power]

Will Smith can beleive whatever he chooses, thats his right, if he wants to beleive the Klingons are gonna send a ship to earth and suck up all the scientologists and take them to Zarcon where Utopia exists thats fine. The asinine part in this whole thing is that people actually look and listen to Tom Cruise. The guy is a few spark plugs short of a full engine. I wouldn't ask that guy for directions much less something so important as one's faith.

It's just amazing to me that most of us John Q Public types see through this yet Hollywood allows themselves to be to put under hypnosis by this clown, by god look what he did to his wife, she's pretty much a deaf mute now, he's got his own little self made zombie walking the streets with him.

As for Will Smith, if it is true that Cruise suckered him into scientology, then he deserves all the ridicule for that alone. Once again, the power of the super midget proves too strong

[Sloanfeld]

Scientology is no more ridiculous than any other organized religion so LOL@ any Christian, Muslim, Hindu bashing scientology beliefs

Tommy Gun, I doubt you have any clue about Scientology vs. any real religion.

Scientology is a scam, their founder was an author who decided that starting his own religion would be much more profitable than writing for a penny per word. Funny, he died a fugitive in hiding while convicted of fraud. Tom Cruise is the biggest **** in Hollywood, supporting that stupid cult that RUINS peoples lives.

Xenu blows.

[Sloanfeld]

NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scientology is one of the worst things going these days. After watching the South Park episode (which is absolutely hilarious by the way), I looked into it. It's so damn scary. They literally brainwash people.

Check out this feature article that TIME magazine did: http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html

It's absolutely horrifying.

The kid that jumped from that buliding to his death in 1990 lived about 15 minutes from me. I believe his dad is a part time teacher at my college, but he's pretty old I think. Scientology was after him because he ran out of money and couldn't give anymore.

[Tommy Gun]

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Let's review here:

An omnipotent being creates human life and the universe

vs.

An alien sends away souls to Earth which are then trapped there and stuffed inside human bodies, in which case only controlling your thetin levels can save you

One of these is a tad bit less practical of an idea in general.

LMAO..really? Thats what you have reduced the argument to? Have you heard of such gem's like Noah's ark? A virgin birth? Adam and Eve?

All just as ridiculous as the Xenu story.

Maybe you can look at it from this perspective:

[Sloanfeld]

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LMAO..really? Thats what you have reduced the argument to? Have you heard of such gem's like Noah's ark? A virgin birth? Adam and Eve?

All just as ridiculous as the Xenu story.

Maybe you can look at it from this perspective:

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Once again you have no clue what you are talking about, as does the moron who made that picture. The Garden of Eden story is a parable. Do you know what that is?

[Tommy Gun]

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Once again you have no clue what you are talking about, as does the moron who made that picture. The Garden of Eden story is a parable. Do you know what that is?

Really? Does the bible claim that the Garden of Eden story is a parable or is that a modern interpretation to lessen its ridiculousness? Not not mention the millions of christians who still believe the literal interpretation of the bible.

Maybe Scientologists should just retroactively term all of their crazy beliefs as "parables" and that will make their religion more palpable to you

[damo[23]]

LMAO..really? Thats what you have reduced the argument to? Have you heard of such gem's like Noah's ark? A virgin birth? Adam and Eve?

All just as ridiculous as the Xenu story.

Maybe you can look at it from this perspective:

Seriously?

The Bible was written milenia ago, most of its stories were parables written for the times to help illlustrate points.

The xenu story, which is a story, it was originally a novel written 60 odd years ago, was then taken upon by some wierd cult people to make money.

Only the most staunch christians believe in things such as the adam and eve story now days, and even most christian sects turn a blind eye or quietly sigh and niavity.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam all use whole or parts of the NT / OT and have stood the test of time.

Scientology I really dont see doing that.

I bet we are going to see the classic "but the Bible is a novel" arguement in a minute. I love that one.

[Max Power]

Tommy, quit coming in here trying to sell yourself as someone more enlightened to the ways of the world, because let me let you in on a little secret.....YOUR NOT!! The fact that Jesus Christ's existence was a FACT and not some fable is one chink in that armor, AND research has provided almost infallable evidence to the fact that the flood of Noah's arc did in fact occur. Plus, not sure if your aware, but they pretty much know where that ark is dude. As for the virgin birth, well hey, there are parts of faith that are just that....faith. In a nutshell, nobody gives two drops of piss about what you think.

[damo[23]]

The fact that Jesus Christ's existence was a FACT and not some fable is one chink in that armor, AND research has provided almost infallable evidence to the fact that the flood of Noah's arc did in fact occur. Plus, not sure if your aware, but they pretty much know where that ark is dude. As for the virgin birth, well hey, there are parts of faith that are just that....faith. In a nutshell, nobody gives two drops of piss about what you think.

I'd like to say from a non-christian view [i've done alot of work on all this] that most of the events have been proven scientificially. Just watch discovery every so often.

Jesus is a proven figure that was infact executed, and there were records of various acts performed by such a figure. You perfectly well can accept that he's not the son of God, Jews, who followed the same path in the OT, dont, so it not unreasonable, but none can deny the figure himself [well infact Jews just feel he's another prophet if my memory serves.]

[PimpORL]

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all religons do the same thing only thing is Scientology was created in our lifetime so we know how fake it is

No offense to anyone religious, but x2

[damo[23]]

No offense to anyone religious, but x2

Not really, I am not religious, and I see validity in it.

End of the day, at its most basic Religion gives a culture a set of morales and laws to which to abide to. Personally and socially.

If you look across all religions, they essentially come down to the same basic message, unfortunatly dogma of each has been diluted and corrupted by years and years of "human" touch; where you see mis interpretations etc.. [just think of how certain "sects" of christianity act differently, despite having the same message..]

Scientology wasnt based in any cultural revolution, it was a science fiction writer who used his literature to gain some following and withdraw money from their accounts, like any cult would.

As for the comment itself, really its quite far off.

We are talking about the monetry side of things; then we can look into this further. Lets take Catholicism [largest branch of chrisitianity] there is a similarity in both scientology and catholicism "gain" money from its followers, however at its most basic level one is voluntary, and the other is compulsory. Sure Catholicism has a huge base of finance, but you've also got to remember it ran most of Europe to a large extent for many years, and comanded many countries to do what can only be described as one of the biggest loot raids ever [the crusades], it infact owned its own islands, and techincally is still its on state [the vatican]. Scientology only has its shop fronts.

Lets look at a personal level.

We'll exclude radicalism from this, since it techincally is personal profiling for the likes of sucide bombings.

Religions like Catholicism have "rights of passages", sure, but non profile its people to be accepted in to the church itself. Baptism, the right of passage into Chrisitanity, is performed as a infant. Scientolgies "right of passage" involves testes, exams, book readings and more importantly, alot of money [also some say a small extent of brain washing, but certianly there is a mental profiling to see if people are susceptable to the scientology cult at this stage] "failure", and your rejected, only with your bill in hand.

As for "In our life time".

Religions such as christianity, islam, hinduism etc.... have been built up over many many many centuries. The first missionaries and writers, theologians and "preachers" so to speak for these religions had no access to each other, there was no cross country communication, yet these were still some how preeching the same or similar message when they started.

There was no Hubbard character sending out his men, unless you count prophet type figures writing a novel. There were 100's of men across contitents spreading the message, right or wrong in the message, it does not matter. Over years and years the religions and followings built up, eventually becoming documented. And not just one writer, or a collective working together, but many many writers across centuries, using various different styles and methodologies to communicate the message of their pieces.

Hubbard started with his novel, adapted it for his cult and built from there within his own life time. Much like all cults do.

Most religions, and this is rather broad, have adapted over many many centuries [which in some cases are a fault, re: wars].

I could write more about this, but I am starving and really need to get lunch.

[Tommy Gun]

The fact that Jesus Christ's existence was a FACT and not some fable is one chink in that armor,

No it's not. There has been plenty of historical research into the Jesus Christ figure and differeing opinions on whether he actually existed or not.

AND research has provided almost infallable evidence to the fact that the flood of Noah's arc did in fact occur. Plus, not sure if your aware, but they pretty much know where that ark is dude.

LMAO. Show me the peer reviewed scientific journal that shows that this flood occured. A global flood as divine retribution is OLDER than christianity itself. It is a myth propagated by many different cultures over thousands of years. There is absolutely NO geolical evidence to support that myth. In fact, all available evidence contradicts that myth--no evidence of a flood in ice core series, no evidence of a flood in tree ring dating. How the hell do you expalin the relative ages of moutain ranges? They should ALL have experienced the exact same erosion patterns with this great 40 day flood.

Just LMAO@ you and the other tool saying he saw it on the Discovery channel. Talk about scientific illeteracy. Yep, it's a fact that Noah's ark occured and they know where the Ark is ..hey, how did Noah get 2 of every species on that boat

As for the virgin birth, well hey, there are parts of faith that are just that....faith. In a nutshell, nobody gives two drops of piss about what you think.

Sure,, you can bury your head in the sand and ignore all available evidence in the name of faith, just dont act superior to scientologists who do the same

[damo[23]]

Sure,, you can bury your head in the sand and ignore all available evidence in the name of faith, just dont act superior to scientologists who do the same

Only problem with that is when Hubbard wrote the original book it was a piece of fiction .. science fiction. He did no base it in fact at all, he meant it as a piece of literary fiction.

As I said, they have proved that a man called Jesus exsisted at that time of documented writing.

They have done studies into things such as the parting of the red sea and the plagues etc.. [the OT is full of strange phenomena] and established it would be entirily possible for it to happen. Whether it happened at that documented time, under the circumstances etc... its unsure, but it was certainly possible.

[PimpORL]

Really? Morals, like religion, are products of society. They're based on what's good and bad for society.

I'm not saying that their Christianity is the reason why, but Christians have amongst the highest crime rates. I don't think religion makes a difference when your society has certain laws.

I get what you're saying, but I'm guessing mikegraphix considers the "prophets" to be a lot like Hubbard. Maybe they all didn't benefit as much as him or maybe they thought what they believed was right, but if we had a time machine the reaction would be the same. The only difference is that those religions were able to build over hundreds of years.

And I think he's also referring to how people still use those religions as a way to get money.