Bulls @ Sixers Postgame Thread: When easy is never easy...

JackFinn · Post #41 » by **JackFinn** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:07 am

I agree that Wallace "is just a turd out there." But once we assasinate him, I think we're just one slump-light guard and a semblence of Tyrus-offense away from elite status. Ultimately this season was destroyed by the huge slumping tendency of Hinrich and Gordon. But I think there is much in this team to build upon.

girlygirl · Post #42 » by **girlygirl** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:08 am

OT: Cavs and Bobcats now going to double OT as Felton airballs an off-balance shot over Varejao at the buzzer

sonny · Post #43 » by **sonny** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:11 am

dougthonus wrote:I can't believe the Zach Randolph signing hasn't turned out well.

This is shocking.

But he gets 20/10

He's not going to turn our guys into drug users

Pax must go

Mr. Tibbs · Post #44 » by **Mr. Tibbs** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:30 am

you know how disappointing ben wallace is to me? At this point i'd compare his value with the bulls to that of charles oakley...the 2nd time around.

Mr. Tibbs · Post #45 » by **Mr. Tibbs** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:30 am

at least it isn't a back to back so i'll say we have a chance on sunday against the hawks.

cool007 · Post #46 » by **cool007** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:31 am

Well, I know Zach is not great but I still would rather have him over Wallace.

I would give up Wallace for peanuts.

The way we started the game, I was like okay, we will lose this game by how many points???
Then Boylan puts in Tyrus/Gray and Gordon and all of a sudden we start playing awesome and we took the lead.

I was like it's going to hurt us game in and game out because of Du and Wallace starting.

girlygirl · Post #47 » by **girlygirl** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:33 am

Mr. Tibbs wrote:at least it isn't a back to back so i'll say we have a chance on sunday against the hawks.

Bulls have won 12 straight games against the Hawks -- longest active streak for any team vs. one opponent in the league

sonny · Post #48 » by **sonny** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:42 am

Mr. Tibbs wrote:you know how disappointing ben wallace is to me? At this point i'd compare his value with the bulls to that of charles oakley...the 2nd time around.

All we're missing is behind the back bounce passes in traffic

bullzman23 · Post #49 » by **bullzman23** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:42 am

I don't particularly like Zac, and I don't think he's a good fit for this team (we'd still be undersized), but I don't know if the guy has had a fair shake yet. He's played on two awful teams. I can't blame him for ball hogging or slacking on defense when his teammates suck so badly. It'd be interesting to see how he'd do with better teammates.

Post #50 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:45 am

I think Bulls trade wallace ONLY if a team approaches us.

That is very unlikely unless it is Dallas

transplant · Post #51 » by **transplant** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:04 am

dougthonus wrote:
Considering that Noc is -6 and Joe is -8 it shows how insignificant that stat can be when you put it in regards to just one singular game.

But that being said, im not advocating that Ben Wallace had a huge game, nor will i say that Gray was just monstrous either though he is obviously and significantly better on the offense side.

All the starters got dinged big time for the huge deficit early in the game. Ben Wallace is the only one who never recovered even a tiny bit from that. The next worse +/- on the team is -8.

I thought that Wallace had his worst game of the "Boylan Era," but if you're a big fan of +/- (I'm not), Wallace has a positive on/off court for the season -+2.8. That's better than Gordon, Hinrich, Smith, Nocioni, Tyrus, and Gray. Deng's our best (+7.6) and Duhon is next (+6.1).

Defend it you'd like.

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708CHI.HTM

fudgie · Post #52 » by **fudgie** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:06 am

Hey all, I didn't see the game (I was at work) and got a question.

According to the box score Thabo was solid in limited minutes. What position was he playing? Was it the 3 again?

Post #53 » by **coldfish** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:06 am

Gtg quickly:

My summary is that the team turned it on when they went young and then turned it off late in the game.

On the +/-:
I have been watching that stat to see trends. From what I can tell, it points out who your worst and best players were to some extent. Often times the middle guys get their numbers dramatically affected by how much time they spend with those guys. The other thing it points to is runs. If you happen to be on the floor for a run, your fault or not, it dramatically affects the number.

Nocioni and Wallace would be a perfect example tonight. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what Nocioni's +/- was with Wallace, versus without?

transplant · Post #54 » by **transplant** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:10 am

Naturally, I'll take the win, but this team has lost something important somewhere along the way.

Angry Jimmy · Post #55 » by **Angry Jimmy** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:25 am

How the heck did Samuel Dalembert go for 20/20? Was Wallace guarding him?

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #56 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:31 am

sonny wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

All we're missing is behind the back bounce passes in traffic

Gray gave it the old college try.

Red Larrivee · Post #57 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:35 am

Dalembert looked like Jesus tonight. 21 and 20? God. Bulls never can stop the most average players from having career nights.

sonny · Post #58 » by **sonny** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:40 am

bullzman23 wrote:I don't particularly like Zac, and I don't think he's a good fit for this team (we'd still be undersized), but I don't know if the guy has had a fair shake yet. He's played on two awful teams. I can't blame him for ball hogging or slacking on defense when his teammates suck so badly. It'd be interesting to see how he'd do with better teammates.

Like this year's Blazer team?

Mr. Tibbs · Post #59 » by **Mr. Tibbs** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:51 am

lol oakleys behind the back passes were a thing of beauty. i'm surprised he never injured anyone in the stands with one of those.

Post #60 » by **kulaz3000** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:15 am

The best big man passer or one of the, still has to be Sabonis. Im still sadden by the fact that he decided to join the league well after his prime....