Bulls @ Sixers 1/11/08

[freshie2]

Iggy got his butt whooped this game just like a little spoiled punk brat at recess in the school yard without his momma around. Iggy limped off the court looking defeated mentally, physically, spiritually, socially, and for good measure sexually.

What a clown.

[SendEm]

Look, Igoudala is not a bad player. He just got some bad advice ... turning down 57 million ... and that is going to haunt him for some time now. I don't see how he can ever end up signing with the Sixers because he will be embarassed about that when he sees what they are going to offer him. He will have to come up with some reason that he no longer wishes to play for the Sixers and then either leave as a free agent or get traded. I think he is gone.

Damn $57 million? I don't know why I was thinking $52 over 5. Every game he plays is making his case harder to prove that he is worth $1.5+ million per season MORE than players like Tony Parker and Josh Howard. He plays like he is worth atleast $1.5+ million less per than those All Star players.

[Mik317]

How did thad play?

[freshie2]

OK...didn't get many opportunities offensively, but got his shot blocked twice I believe. Defensively did OK...call it a down game in an up and down season, but he wasn't awful by any stretch of the imagination either.

[76erinSJ]

You have to realize that we are going to over pay players no matter what because we suck. The Mavs and Spurs are good and have players that are making the max. Howard and Parker Know they could have gotten more somewhere else but because they know their teams are good they take less. Iggy and any potential FA has us by the balls. No one wants to come here. your hate for Iggy really needs to stop. My new name for you is RP2 if anyone else gets that joke.

[Cru Thik]

You have to realize that we are going to over pay players no matter what because we suck. The Mavs and Spurs are good and have players that are making the max. Howard and Parker Know they could have gotten more somewhere else but because they know their teams are good they take less. Iggy and any potential FA has us by the balls. No one wants to come here. your hate for Iggy really needs to stop. My new name for you is RP2 if anyone else gets that joke.

He seems even more obnoxious than Ricky ever was. Maybe Ricky came back with a giant Iggy rod up his you know what.

[bebopdeluxe]

Was at the game tonight...

"U-g-l-y...you ain't got no alibi..."

Where to start?

- The Sixers half-court offense with our "starters" simply blows. In many sets, our best option is Andre Miller creating something. Not good.

- A tidy 21 and 20 by Sammy...I remember sometime during the 3rd quarter thinking that he had quite a few rebounds. Damn. We better not trade him - right now he's one of the only NBA-worthy players we have.

- Nocioni may be a dirty player, but he's also a pretty good player. Thad got schooled tonight...but he's a smart kid - hopefully, he'll watch the videotape and learn. He needs games like this to get better.

- Unless Iguodala sucks it up and starts strapping it on, I think it's gonna be hard to bring him back next season. Stefanski won't give him anywhere near $57 million...or he'll give it to somebody else. I think that dond nailed it right on the head - good defender (but a bit overrated, watching Nocioni get into his head)...decent stand-still jumper, GREAT finisher...but with ZERO finesse with the ball in the half-court. At least twice, he tried to dribble to the basket tonight, only to lose the handle and either turn the ball over or get an offensive foul. Too much looking for the officials (either whining or looking to get bailed out)...on one fast-break, Lou threw the ball away trying to hit Iggy on the wing, and Iguodala got this exasperated look on his face...no going over to pick the guy up...no going over and pointing out (nicely) how they could have run the play better...just looking up in the air in frustration.

Way to be a leader, bro.

Stefanski really has his work cut out for him. To me, the decision to keep Miller is MUCH easier than the decision of what to do with Iguodada if this is what we see from him for the rest of the season...and if we trade Miller, it is IMPOSSIBLE to see Iggy improving his game enough for the rest of the season to say, "Don't sweat it, Iggy...here's your $57 million..."

(after all, BK isn't here anymore)

While I do recognize that - this game aside - there is some good young talent on this team, there just aren't many pieces that really fit together. It is VERY hard to see Iguodala as anything better than a Bruce Bowen/Raja Bell SG right now...on this team, there is a chance that Thad could be our best long-term option at SF, and I don't want to give Iggy $57 million to be a slightly-better Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell (I am stretching it a bit here, but hopefully you hear where I am coming from).

I think the keepers are:

Sammy
Miller
Williams
Young
Smith

Obviously I would hope that they can keep Evans (as the high-energy guy coming off the bench) and move Green, but it will probably turn out that of the two, Evans will be more marketable (damn). The consensus is that we get Iggy resigned, and add one high-impact guy in FA and a lottery pick...but (unless Iggy's game really picks up) I think that you really have to entertain the possibility of something like a sign-and trade - which would dramatically expand the possibilities between now and next season.

And I gotta keep thinking about those possibilities, 'cause right now this team makes me want to hurl.

[SendEm]

Well NJ traded Kenyon when he wanted too much money. Since Stephanski is here hopefully he'll take that same approach to resigning this non aggressive wing player that can easily be replaced while having no ill effect upon our rebuilding process. Iggy is a very soft wing player whose contributions on a good team are very very small. Iggy is obviously just a role player being miscast on our bad team putting up so so numbers while playing an extremely large amount of minutes. Iggy should not be playing 39 minutes a game. We are a bad team, give 8 of Iggy's minutes to Carney and Young while cutting Willie Green's minutes in half and also giving them to Carney and Young. That would be best for our team moving forward.

[dbodner]

It is VERY hard to see Iguodala as anything better than a Bruce Bowen/Raja Bell SG right now

what?

Everybody's on this foregone conclusion that Iguodala's going to get paid like a #1 option after this summer. Where does this come from? What team is going to offer him that contract that we'll have to match?

Before everybody jumps off a bridge and trades Iguodala out of desperation, those are the questions that need answered. There's no reason to let Iguodala being miscast detract from what he is, which is clearly better than Raja Bell, and is a very valuable player in this league who's only 23. There's no reason to think that Iguodala's going to command #1 type money in the offseason, and there's even less reason to panic and dump him now at $.50 on the dollar (which you would be doing when you trade away someone like Iguodala who doesn't have a contract for next year).

Calm down, bro.

[Cru Thik]

I think something people need to remember you can't make someone be a leader. It's something you are or you are not. What in the world do you people expect from Iguodala? He had 25 6 and 5 yet he gets blasted up and down the forum it's funny. You might complain about his %'s or his TO's his frustration at loosing games or the way he acts toward teammates. But a lot was thrown on this kids plate and I think he deserves a little more respect and time than some are giving him no wonder Philly gets the bad rap we get.

[Mik317]

BRUCE FUNKING BOWEN???? RAJA FUNKING BELL?????

HAVE YOU DUDES LOST YOUR MINDS???

THE DUDE JUST HAD 26, 6 ,5 ,and I Think like 5 or so steals????

and he's RAJA FING BELL??? These are guys who have the **** BEST PF EVAR NEXT TO THEM OR THE ONE OF THE BEST PG's IN THE LEAGUE!!!!! IGGY HAS............WILLIE MOTHTRICKIN GREEN!!!! HAVE YOU MORONS EVER PLAYED THE GAME????

Iggy struggles because he's the only player on this team that's a threat. Lou is is small, Thad is young ( no pun), Evans and Dalembare are offensively challaged( Daly has gotten better tho,) Miller jumpshots is flat some games and it's never been his game to score add to that mister take 20 foot contested jumpers himself and crap (Carney, Booth, Admusion). and you have the mothafing Sixers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your boy Roy, has guys around him that makes up for his flaws. EVERY GOD DAMN NUMBAH ONE DOES YOU DUMBASSES!!!!!! Iggy has flaws! HE's HUMAN!!! This is his first year being the MAN!!! Last year teams didn't really have as much info on him as they have now! WE NO LONGER HAVE PEREMITER THREATS ( Joe and Korver are gone douchebags). and thus the way to kick our ass and force Iggy into NOT doing what he's good at is to pack it in.......and guess what GUYZ? ??? any of your favorite palyers placed on this team, would be stopped from tha t and they too would be pissed and unhappy.

You guys are really borderline (Please Use More Appropriate Word) with your Iggy hate lately...... It's just not justified IMO. Yes he has had bad games, EVERYBODY DOES!! Yes he has Flaws, EVERYBODY DOES!!!! but to say **** like " I don't want him back because he's not play well on a **** team.....is ludicris.

If Iggy is here when we get good ( which if we do trade him will be years form now) I do not want to see you guys saying I knew he was this goood.........

[SendEm]

Bebop

I do agree with you with the comparison of Iggy to Bowen and Bell. I know what you mean. You are talking about his overall contributions to the team he's on, not his production and skill set. In fact I believe that Iggy's production on a winning team would be VERY similar to Raja Bell's the last couple of seasons with just a little extra. 15ppg 4boards 3assists 1.5 steals 31 minutes is what I'm convinced Iggy's numbers will be on a winning team with players better than he is.

[SendEm]

The NBA is a team game Knux. Bloated numbers that a good player (Iggy) gets while being the designated star on an awful team do not automatically translate when that player is placed on a good team with better talent. Iggy's halfcourt game is extremely average for a wing. His contributions to a good team will reduce dramatically because he no longer will be able to DOMINATE the ball on EVERY possession taking only the shots that HE is comfortable with. On a winning team he would be asked to finished ONLY when called upon as well as attempt possibly some shots that he isn't comfortable with. Like back when AI was here you constantly seen him turn down scoring opportunities because he was out of his comfort zone not pounding the basketball into the ground looking to take a pull up jump shot directly in front of the basket. He has a decent set jumpshot but his slashes to the rim while dribbling are pathetic. There even now are plays where there is a lane available for Iguodala to drive but it gets closed off quickly because his first step is not quick and also he is not the type to finish over an opponent and hit the floor. Tonight was the first time that I seen Iggy hit the floor and he whined like a girl and limped the rest of the game, didn't he learn anything from AI? Stop being a punk Iggy, go strong, and get straight up, NO GIRLING!

[The Guilty Party]

Well... the streak continues. I do believe this streak will hit 12 before it is stopped.

[SendEm]

Some of you basketball fans obviously enjoy fantasy basketball MORE than the real thing. Iggy had 25 6 and 5 last night but it was sloppy, not enough, and ineffective. To go with that stat line Iggy also turned the ball over 5 times MISSED 13 of 21 field goals, MISSED 5 of 12 free throws while playing 37 minutes and getting punked by Nocioni. For some of you fools an NBA player had a good night if he scores 35 points gets 5 rebounds and 7 assists, it doesn't matter to you that he shot 35% from the field, 60% from the free throw line and had 8 turnovers.

[UptownPhilly]

Well... the streak continues. I do believe this streak will hit 12 before it is stopped.

That's music to me. I have now reverted back to tanking mode.

This is a very miserable season.

You know it's bad, when the most positive news for Sixers fans was the firing of Billy King.

When will it end?

[Mik317]

You act like it's Iggy's fault that he's in this situation. You want him say " Oh no I can't be the guy!!!"? Your not seeing that this Is the first time in his basketball Life that he is being asked to be tha man. In Highscholl I think he had his brother Frank ( or some Big dude who blew out his knee in college).....In HS he was just stupidly atheletic and strong. He went to AZ and had Luke and some other guy ( I think it was Frye?).......still not the man. He came here and Had AI......yeah....and then he got Webber. Not the man. AI and C-Webb leaves ...........Hey Iggy your now our best palyer. still even last year this team was set up around Iggy. He didn't have to take as many jumpers beacuse he had Joe Smith outside shot.... and Korver 3 ball and Andre Miller Had the ball most of the time, so needless to say Iggy was in a position to strive.

THIS YEAR, Joe's gone, Korver regressed and is now gone. and Miller is looking for his crooked shot more....The offense isn't the same becuase there is NOOOO perimiter guys on this team. and Thus now the Defense just says let's pack it in and force them to shoot. WE CAN't shoot Iggy's jumper is too inconsistant ( as is the guy you don't trash Lebron) add to that Iggy has the worst starting PF in the NBA and you have a pissed and confuzzled Iggy.

Ys it's team game, but that **** don't matter when you have **** teamates and the fact that the defense can afford to just lock in on you.

BUT NOOO, you and your lackey's have on you Iggy hate goggles and can't see that MAYBE just Maybe, it's not Just Iggy fault, that this team blows chunks.

[The Guilty Party]

I think the misery will stop this summer. Right now, we're still freefalling down the mountain and are approaching the valley (this summer). After this summer, we should have a couple more pieces in place and see the future for this team a little more clearly. From there, we can root this team on and begin the long, long climb to the top (hopefully).

[Mik317]

NOO I think that your the one enjoys fantasy B-Ball too much because all you have to back up your crap claims is stats and **** like " Lol he's can't dunk on people he must suck." ( which is funny beacsue your boy Roy doesn't dunk on people either....hmmm?)

[SendEm]

Oh please no defense is "locking in" on Iggy? He gets single coverage every game and can't beat his defender off of the dribble. Who are you Iggy's agent? The only thing Iggy is now not the beneficiary of is having his defender HELP off of him to double team someone else on the Sixers that is a better offensive player (AI, Webber). So Iggy has a defender "locked in" on him the entire game in that sense. But teams don't defend him like he is a threat at all. If teams double teamed Iggy he would only average 10 points a game and get like 8+ assists because he will hit the open man, UNLESS he turns the ball over instead like I have seen him do when he is trapped.